time to stop going

[Bill Glazier]

Some people are stupid enough to believe the likes of Haskell or any other potential suitor would behave differently if they owned the ground.

That really is stupid.

Not sure if I agree with you there Grendel. If we look at the assortment of owners of football clubs now they range from the borderline psychopathic to reasonably decent. Some owners just are better than others.

 

[Nick]

No, have you?

I would expect that most clubs owners want their club to do well and be as self-sustainable as possible rather than hamstrung in this way. The notion of it being the right of the owner of the ground to be making money out of the club is absurd, long-term. That's why we all hate ACL so much after all, isn't it?

No, it is perfectly fine for ACL to charge us rent, that is SISU's fault for "agreeing" to it.

I bet there are a lot of clubs with the stadium in a seperate company either a management or holding company but seperate from the club.

 

[stupot07]

Not sure if I agree with you there Grendel. If we look at the assortment of owners of football clubs now they range from the borderline psychopathic to reasonably decent. Some owners just are better than others.

But what makes an owner a decent owner, given that the majority of clubs run at losses?


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[Otis]

Yes, it's not fact that people going to sixfields are killing the club is it? Its not fact that I'd nobody went the club would be straight back yet people still make statements like it is all the time.

There is also the risk that the people who don't go are killing the club by not giving any money but most of them want to run off and setup a pub team now haskell and his fans on the board promise has fizzled out.

No, it's not fact, Nick.

What is a fact is that about 1,200 - 1,600 approx are going to Sixfields every home game. Sisu obviously want this to increase and while some people DO go there is always the chance that attendances could rise if we started doing really, really well. As it stands Sisu always have the hope that fans may well come back and that attendances will increase.

If no-one went at all then this would show in fact that things were going in completely the wrong direction for the owners. At the mo they might well feel that City fans will come back in time and will go to any new stadium once it is built. If no-one went to home games this season at Sixfields then that blows that whole theory out of the water and would leave the owners in grave doubts whether fans would attend any new stadium.

For me if no-one went it kind of forces Sisu's hand. It all shows the power at the end of the day is with the fans. No fans = no club. I cannot think of a clearer statement of City fans not backing the move to Sixfields than people just not turning up at all.

While a few go there is always the hope that in time the crowds will slowly increase and fans will come back. This has to be Sisu's hope.

If I was Sisu I wouldn't go round slating ACL and CCC, I would be trying to get the fans onboard and be encouraging them to lobby their local MP's and put pressure on ACL and CCC to come to some agreement.

At the end of the day, the best scenario for Sisu is of the fans being onboard.

 

[Grendel]

No, it's not fact, Nick.

What is a fact is that about 1,200 - 1,600 approx are going to Sixfields every home game. Sisu obviously want this to increase and while some people DO go there is always the chance that attendances could rise if we started doing really, really well. As it stands Sisu always have the hope that fans may well come back and that attendances will increase.

If no-one went at all then this would show in fact that things were going in completely the wrong direction for the owners. At the mo they might well feel that City fans will come back in time and will go to any new stadium once it is built. If no-one went to home games this season at Sixfields then that blows that whole theory out of the water and would leave the owners in grave doubts whether fans would attend any new stadium.

For me if no-one went it kind of forces Sisu's hand. It all shows the power at the end of the day is with the fans. No fans = no club. I cannot think of a clearer statement of City fans not backing the move to Sixfields than people just not turning up at all.

While a few go there is always the hope that in time the crowds will slowly increase and fans will come back. This has to be Sisu's hope.

If I was Sisu I wouldn't go round slating ACL and CCC, I would be trying to get the fans onboard and be encouraging them to lobby their local MP's and put pressure on ACL and CCC to come to some agreement.

At the end of the day, the best scenario for Sisu is of the fans being onboard.

They will now be aware fans at the ground will not grow. It's flatlined now anyway. There is no chance of zero fans going - that is totally unrealistic. Also the continued large away following shows sisu that supporters do believe the club will return and do not believe it is being franchised out. Unless no one goes home or away its a pointless boycott.

 

[Otis]

They will now be aware fans at the ground will not grow. It's flatlined now anyway. There is no chance of zero fans going - that is totally unrealistic. Also the continued large away following shows sisu that supporters do believe the club will return and do not believe it is being franchised out. Unless no one goes home or away its a pointless boycott.

If we won 3 or 4 in a row, Grendel, the attendances would rise, albeit not vastly. We somehow made it to the top 3 and I think they might well be 3,000-4,000 there.

As City fans we all want the club to do well and if we do do well fans will want to go.

I agree with you that no fans is unrealistic. Just mooting what I think would force hands. We do also need to put pressure on ACL and the council too of course.

The answer for me is still the Rioch.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

They will now be aware fans at the ground will not grow. It's flatlined now anyway. There is no chance of zero fans going - that is totally unrealistic. Also the continued large away following shows sisu that supporters do believe the club will return and do not believe it is being franchised out. Unless no one goes home or away its a pointless boycott.

Agree with a lot of that. SISU must be aware that they are unlikely to increase attendances at Sixfields. Large away followings show love of the club is still there. However, the boycotting is not pointless in that it ought to put pressure on SISU to fast track any decisions they are going to make about the future. If for that reason alone, I am glad.

 

[Otis]

Agree with a lot of that. SISU must be aware that they are unlikely to increase attendances at Sixfields. Large away followings show love of the club is still there. However, the boycotting is not pointless in that it ought to put pressure on SISU to fast track any decisions they are going to make about the future. If for that reason alone, I am glad.

Yep. I just feel the less fans go the quicker a resolution needs to be found.

 

[torchomatic]

Yes, I do think we're a little L1 club because we have a squad of players and a name. That's it. We have nothing else. We don't have anything to call our "own", do we? We are a great club with a great history, but the minute we left Highfield Road then the clock to destruction started ticking. We have absolutely NOTHING a potential investor would want. If we go back to the Ricoh as tenants then we'll be home but we still have nothing.

Finally, do you really think we're a little L1 club? What, just like Southampton, Norwich, Fulham, Wigan, Stoke, Cardiff, Hull and Swansea were a few years ago? When we were...in the top flight?!? You've been swallowing too much SISU PR for too long! This is a great club with history and has massive potential and I would have thought that it's fans of all people would be aware of that. It's almost as mind boggling as those that argue that a crappy L2 ground is going to be good enough for us...utterly devoid of ambition and pride in our history.

 

[shmmeee]

Yes, I do think we're a little L1 club because we have a squad of players and a name. That's it. We have nothing else. We don't have anything to call our "own", do we? We are a great club with a great history, but the minute we left Highfield Road then the clock to destruction started ticking. We have absolutely NOTHING a potential investor would want. If we go back to the Ricoh as tenants then we'll be home but we still have nothing.

Well, we'd have a tenancy agreement. And possibly access to football revenues if they can be negotiated.

Whereas at the new ground we'd have a massive mortgage, possible with ARVO at the extortionate interest rates we're currently being charges, and a severely limited ability to make money (reduced capacity, limited hospitality/function space).

It's not as cut and dried as you'd like to make out.

 

[Otis]

Well, we'd have a tenancy agreement. And possibly access to football revenues if they can be negotiated.

Whereas at the new ground we'd have a massive mortgage, possible with ARVO at the extortionate interest rates we're currently being charges, and a severely limited ability to make money (reduced capacity, limited hospitality/function space).

It's not as cut and dried as you'd like to make out.

I know the desire is for the club to own their own stadium, but at the end of the day it is all about revenues. The Ricoh would be perfect as a rentable option if revenues can be negotiated that are favourable to Coventry City FC.

And we all know, if were we back at the Ricoh and City were doing really well, sitting proudly at the top of the league and got promoted, then crowds would regularly top 20,000,

 

[torchomatic]

And vice versa.

It's not as cut and dried as you'd like to make out.

 

[Grendel]

I know the desire is for the club to own their own stadium, but at the end of the day it is all about revenues. The Ricoh would be perfect as a rentable option if revenues can be negotiated that are favourable to Coventry City FC.

And we all know, if were we back at the Ricoh and City were doing really well, sitting proudly at the top of the league and got promoted, then crowds would regularly top 20,000,

The much heralded survey suggests crowds of 8,000 maximum including away fans.

 

[ecky]

The much heralded survey suggests crowds of 8,000 maximum including away fans.

I think you are getting confused? 8,000 is how many fisher said would go to six fields....
How wrong he was?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

The much heralded survey suggests crowds of 8,000 maximum including away fans.

You don't even believe this yourself, stop teasing people you cheeky monkey.

Grendel said:
3 Days Ago

Originally Posted by shmmeee
Poor poor logic.

You're assuming that 100% of all respondents were regular Ricoh attendees prior to the move.

For all you know, only 50% of those answering went to the Ricoh previously and actually on return we'll see an increased gate.

Grendel's reply was...
"Oh I never thought of that.

Yes, you have a point. It may have been completed by armchair fans who never go to games.

Makes it even more worthless in that case."

 

[covspain]

I really can't see anyone paying £20m for a set of league one players (and some poor ones at that) and a training ground, and huge debts.

For a place in the Football League and potencially 2 seasons from the Prem

 

[covspain]

Why do you keep exagerating the importance of the survey in order to ridicule it? This is what Michael Orton said of it in the CT:

“The survey does not claim to provide definitive answers regarding the views of CCFC fans but it is reasonable to believe it is strongly indicative of supporters’ views and that will remain the case until an even bigger survey is conducted.”

 

[covspain]

Grendell why do you keep exagerating the importance of the survey in order to ridicule it? This is what Michael Orton said of it in the CT:

“The survey does not claim to provide definitive answers regarding the views of CCFC fans but it is reasonable to believe it is strongly indicative of supporters’ views and that will remain the case until an even bigger survey is conducted.”

 

[maddog]

Sorry to upset anybody but I think its time for the 1200 or so fans who go to sixfeilds to stop going now and put an end to this nonsense .if you care about this club you will stop trying your doing the best thing for the club.I have news for you .you are damaging the club by giving these incompetent owners the will to carry on. I strongly believe that if we ALL had done the right thing and let them know that we are Coventry city and ain't having it.by sitting at sixfields you saying its OK.well I tell you its not OK..again I'm sorry if I upset anyone but I needed to say it

I really think you already have your wish. Our gates last year were about 11k average. As I have said before, take out the free tickets that players staff etc dosh out, take out everyone who breathes within the ground counted as an attendee, take out the neutrals who go in the Coventry end and you probably have less than 10% of last years paying attendance. Take into account how well we have been playing until recently at home and you see how even worse the gates are. At the Ricoh, away teams used to bring more fans for the day out. We would have had a big gate on Boxing Day and a huge gate against the Wolves. Most City fans have voted with their feet. I think most clubs have fans who would go to all games no matter what the circumstances.

 

[torchomatic]

Maybe to counteract those who are over egging it?

Why do you keep exagerating the importance of the survey in order to ridicule it? This is what Michael Orton said of it in the CT:

“The survey does not claim to provide definitive answers regarding the views of CCFC fans but it is reasonable to believe it is strongly indicative of supporters’ views and that will remain the case until an even bigger survey is conducted.”

 

[shmmeee]

And vice versa.

I have no information to make a serious guess about the alternative to be honest. I'm still open to being convinced it's for the best (leaving aside my personal feelings for the owners) but no-one seems willing to do that.

 

[Snozz_is_god]

If SISU go & the football Club has a good run & theres a strong hint of promoted, you'll have gates in excess of 20K+ without doubt.

There is a desire to support the club, it's just been eroded over the years, give a sustained spell of success, people will flood back.

I personally won't go to a home game again until SISU have gone & we are back playing IN Coventry