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Nick

Administrator
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,086
bigfatronssba said:
So have they limited the capacity of the ground? Yes or no?

If yes when was this decision made public?
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Well yes, hence we can't put every seat on sale
 

CovInEssex

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,087
I fully expect 11, 12, 13, 25 & 26 to go on sale tomorrow. Leaving a huge block (10) for seregation.

Block 10, being prime real estate in any stadium - directly behind the goal.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,088
Greggs said:
You got anything cool you'd swap?
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Owl XXL Gucci jacket, fits more like an XL, 8 inches pit to pit.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,089
David O'Day said:
Here you go, here's why the club can't just say "fuck the police and SAG"


Seems the SAG can reduce capacity for games
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These are the actual powers, the SAG is an advisory board but has absolutely no power at all in itself:

The role of a local authority Safety Advisory Group (SAG) - HSE

Information on the role of a local authority Safety Advisory Groups (SAG).
www.hse.gov.uk

Purpose and scope of a SAG​

SAGs provide a forum for discussing and advising on public safety at an event. They aim to help organisers with the planning, and management of an event and to encourage cooperation and coordination between all relevant agencies. They are non-statutory bodies and so do not have legal powers or responsibilities, and are not empowered to approve or prohibit events from taking place. Event organisers and others involved in the running of an event, retain the principal legal duties for ensuring public safety.
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The legal powers the council has are below (I am unsure what powers the police have aside from as an advisor to SAG):

If the local authority are of the opinion that the admission of spectators to a sports ground or any part of a sports ground involves or will involve a risk to them so serious that, until steps have been taken to reduce it to a reasonable level, admission of spectators to the ground or that part of the ground ought to be prohibited or restricted, the authority may serve a notice (in this Act referred to as a “prohibition notice”) on such persons as are specified in subsection (6) below.

Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975

An Act to make provision for safety at sports stadia and other sports grounds.
www.legislation.gov.uk

You can see why you're a fan of Sir Kier, you'd lock people up for looking at you funny
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,090
Nick said:
How do you know what safety certificate there is for our games?
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Because we've had nearly 32k in there before.

If the capacity had been reduced it would have to be made public knowledge
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,091
bigfatronssba said:
Because we've had nearly 32k in there before.

If the capacity had been reduced it would have to be made public knowledge
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How would it?

Pretty sure things have changed since then. Multiple rental deals, stadium owners etc etc.

The club aren't going to be turning down the chance to sell every ticket they can.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,092
bigfatronssba said:
So have they limited the capacity of the ground? Yes or no?

If yes when was this decision made public?
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bangs head against desk
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,093
slowpoke said:
Just a question, who decides what blocks must be closed.
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Club with advice from police under the guise of the sag for the arena
 
K

Kilclines curly mullet

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,094
GIMOC said:
lol - hope that post is for bites and not being serious. The club have messed so much in this. Which for me, doesn’t bode going forward. Derby is a cop out and more so showed the police being incompetent
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Although I’ll admit to winding people up on occasion, this time I’m actually serious
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,095
Nick said:
How would it?

Pretty sure things have changed since then. Multiple rental deals, stadium owners etc etc.

The club aren't going to be turning down the chance to sell every ticket they can.
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All irrelevant and not material to the safety certificate
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,096
Back in the real world it seems the club being sensible and not running the club like a 15 year old teenager may have got results that people would like
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,097
CovInEssex said:
I fully expect 11, 12, 13, 25 & 26 to go on sale tomorrow. Leaving a huge block (10) for seregation.

Block 10, being prime real estate in any stadium - directly behind the goal.
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Pretty sure 25 and 26 already sold.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,098
Nick said:
How would it?

Pretty sure things have changed since then. Multiple rental deals, stadium owners etc etc.

The club aren't going to be turning down the chance to sell every ticket they can.
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Well we have over 30k in there last week, so we know that the capacity is at least that right?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,099
fernandopartridge said:
These are the actual powers, the SAG is an advisory board but has absolutely no power at all in itself:

The role of a local authority Safety Advisory Group (SAG) - HSE

Information on the role of a local authority Safety Advisory Groups (SAG).
www.hse.gov.uk



The legal powers the council has are below (I am unsure what powers the police have aside from as an advisor to SAG):

If the local authority are of the opinion that the admission of spectators to a sports ground or any part of a sports ground involves or will involve a risk to them so serious that, until steps have been taken to reduce it to a reasonable level, admission of spectators to the ground or that part of the ground ought to be prohibited or restricted, the authority may serve a notice (in this Act referred to as a “prohibition notice”) on such persons as are specified in subsection (6) below.

Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975

An Act to make provision for safety at sports stadia and other sports grounds.
www.legislation.gov.uk

You can see why you're a fan of Sir Kier, you'd lock people up for looking at you funny
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The choices of enforcement action are:

Informal Warning.

Reduction in Capacity.

Prohibition Notice.

Simple Caution.

Prosecution




It's on the cov council website
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,100
bigfatronssba said:
Well we have over 30k in there last week, so we know that the capacity is at least that right?
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That was with more away fans wasnt it?
 
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torchomatic

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  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,101
JAM See said:
Superstar!
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He walks like a woman and he wears a bra.
 
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bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,102
Nick said:
Well yes, hence we can't put every seat on sale
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So when did the council do that?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,103
Nick said:
That was with more away fans wasnt it?
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That's not relevant. The ground is given a safety certificate which specifies it capacity. It doesn't specify how many of the other 91 clubs are allowed to attend.
 

covcity4life

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  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,104
Got a ticket albeit not next to my cousin. Oh well always happy to make new friends lol
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,105
Nick said:
The choices of enforcement action are:

Informal Warning.

Reduction in Capacity.

Prohibition Notice.

Simple Caution.

Prosecution




It's on the cov council website
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What's your point
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,106
clint van damme said:
what the fuck is platinum balcony?!
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Fuck knows but I'm in it
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,107
fernandopartridge said:
What's your point
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That they have powers?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,108
David O'Day said:
Back in the real world it seems the club being sensible and not running the club like a 15 year old teenager may have got results that people would like
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This you

https://twitter.com/jake_swinburne?t=JLU3sSPwzobf5uZlktTp7Q&s=09
 

Calista

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,109
mark82 said:
Is block 32 family zone? Or standard? Said standard when adding to basket but when try to check out it says it's family zone.
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It has to be said that Ticketmaster's web service is dreadful, and the way it has been customised to work with CCFC's ticketing policies seems hopeless. Between them they have managed to produce a labyrinth, when it ought to have been quite straightforward.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,110
Nick said:
That they have powers?
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Yes, you replied to a post where I showed what the legislation that gives them the powers says
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,111
Its all very simple.

The ground is allowed to let in 32k people to watch games.

The Police and SAG advise the club on segregation and away numbers.

The club can choose or not choose to take this advice.

If fans safety is put at risk then the club is liable to prosecution and a reduction in capacity.

However the authorities cannot reduce the capacity of the stadium willy nilly. It has to go through the correct legal channels and has to be for a valid reason.

If they had at any point reduced the capacity of the ground it would've been in the news, as such action is highly unusual.


The SAG and Police will always advise the maximum amount of segregation as it is their job to push for maximum safety, just like all those covid scientists that would still have us in lockdown. In the real world risk is traded off against living a life and running a business
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,112
Covcraig@bury said:
You’re saying if the don’t open up 10-13 then they may as well give them to Middlesbrough. That’s just pushing their fans towards ours . We want them tickets !
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Not all, they should go to our fans.
 

Blind-Faith

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,113
32 pages and I’ve finally read what SAG stands for! Safety advisor group - I felt to stupid having to ask
 
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slowpoke

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  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,114
CovInEssex said:
I fully expect 11, 12, 13, 25 & 26 to go on sale tomorrow. Leaving a huge block (10) for seregation.

Block 10, being prime real estate in any stadium - directly behind the goal.
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If something like that happens it’s up to fans in those blocks to sit facing the front, not side on with their chests sticking out, that’s win lose or draw.
Anybody doing facing the away fans doing hand gestures etc, don’t fuck about, eject them, identify them if possible and bar them from Wembley.
 
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Greggs

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  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,115
clint van damme said:
Owl XXL Gucci jacket, fits more like an XL, 8 inches pit to pit.
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He prefers leather, makes the crows horny.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,116
bigfatronssba said:
Its all very simple.

The ground is allowed to let in 32k people to watch games.

The Police and SAG advise the club on segregation and away numbers.

The club can choose or not choose to take this advice.

If fans safety is put at risk then the club is liable to prosecution and a reduction in capacity.

However the authorities cannot reduce the capacity of the stadium willy nilly. It has to go through the correct legal channels and has to be for a valid reason.

If they had at any point reduced the capacity of the ground it would've been in the news, as such action is highly unusual.


The SAG and Police will always advise the maximum amount of segregation as it is their job to push for maximum safety, just like all those covid scientists that would still have us in lockdown. In the real world risk is traded off against living a life and running a business
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From the council's own site, it doesn't appear that either of these two criteria are met to support a reduction in capacity

Reducing the capacity of all, or part of, a sports ground is a formal action which would be appropriate in the following situations:

  • if an incident suggests that the management of a sports ground is performing poorly or
  • if the Council’s inspecting personnel identify any deficiencies in the fabric, equipment, records or management systems, which the authority has not already taken into account when accepting or calculating the permitted capacity.
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,117
Tomh111 said:
What is the fucking point in a priority point system if you aren't going to use it for the biggest game in years?

Sent from my SM-G981B using Tapatalk
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Priority points are for away games, which have far fewer tickets for sale than we have season ticket holders. It's not for home games, no matter what the occasion.
 

Greggs

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  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,118
Greggs said:
He prefers leather, makes the crows horny.
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@clint van damme i got carried away and thought you were selling a coat for my owl that was made of owl feathers, really pickled my head. Now, this Gucci jacket.....
 

GIMOC

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,119
Boro doing it for the home game.gives fans with priority over the part timers.surely that’s fairer than what’s happened over the past 24 hrs
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 10, 2023
  • #1,120
mark82 said:
That's the frustrating thing, there are actual glory supporters who are able to go on the back of season ticket holders.
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As others have said, STH shouldn't have been given the opportunity to purchase extra tickets. I didn't. It's not fair. All should have gone into the General Sale pot.
 
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