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Grendel · Mar 27, 2012

kg82 said:
Why would I google it, I'm not that bothered. Just saying how I remembered it.

I have you clearly have amnesia.

kg82 · Mar 27, 2012

kduffy said:
I have you clearly have amnesia.

Why, because I remember differently?! Bit defensive but suit yourself.

Astute · Mar 27, 2012

I accept you are wrong. See if you can google the odds as the season was about to start once the players had all gone. I have looked at the odds I was laying. 1.9 at the start of the season. Why would anyone take less than evens if they could have got 5/2?

Grendel · Mar 27, 2012

kg82 said:
Why, because I remember differently?! Bit defensive but suit yourself.

I'm not defensive. I'm in a remote oupost in Lincolnshire and board. Apologies.

kg82 · Mar 27, 2012

kduffy said:
I'm not defensive. I'm in a remote oupost in Lincolnshire and board. Apologies.

My sympathies... and accepted!

Astute · Mar 27, 2012

So was I until a few years ago. I survived it with a couple of braincells still working though

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 27, 2012

Otis said:
No, I didn't unfortunately.

Otis said:
CITY
Lose away to Hull = 0
Beat P'Boro at home for win = 3
Draw Brizzle away = 1
Lose Burnley away= 0
Draw Millwall at home = 1
Beat Donny at Home = 3
Lose at Soton = 0
TOTAL 8 points

NOTTS FOREST
Draw away to C Palace = 1
Win at home to Bristol = 3
Draw away to P'Boro = 1
Lose at home to Blackpool = 0
Lose away to Reading = 0
Lose away to Hull = 0
Beat Pompey at home = 3
(Game in hand) Lose away to Leicester = 0
TOTAL 8 points

BRISTOL
Draw against Derby = 1
Lose away to Forest = 0
Draw against City = 1
Lose away to B'Ham = 0
Lose at home to West Ham = 0
Home win against Barnsley = 3
Draw away to Burnley = 1
TOTAL 6 points

DONCASTER
Lose against B'Ham = 0
Lose away to Leicester = 0
Beat Burnley at home = 3
Draw against Pompey at home = 1
Lose away to Mid'boro = 0
Lose away to City = 0
Beat Ipswich at home = 3
Draw away to C Palace = 1
TOTAL 8 points

PORTSMOUTH
Beat Burnley at home = 3
Lose away at Soton = 0
Draw at home against Millwall = 1
Draw away to Donny = 1
Draw at home to C Palace = 1
Win at home against Derby = 3
Lose away at Forest = 0
Draw at home to Hull = 1
TOTAL 10 points

Table would look like this

Notts Forest 47
Cov City 43
Bristol City 42
Doncaster 39
Portsmouth 40

That is the first time I have ever predicted City to stay up this season. To me it all boils down to us not losing at Bristol.

Is this not a post from you predicting we would stay up? I may have been confused by you saying "That is the first time I have ever predicted City to stay up this season."

LastGarrison · Mar 27, 2012

Astute said:
I accept you are wrong. See if you can google the odds as the season was about to start once the players had all gone. I have looked at the odds I was laying. 1.9 at the start of the season. Why would anyone take less than evens if they could have got 5/2?

For me, you're looking to much into the term "start of the season", by that I meant sometime before the season started not 1 day before kick off.

And as for them being odds on at the start of the season, absolute bollocks, most bookies didn't have us odds on until the start of November and at the start of the season, i.e. the very first day of the season, we were generally 7/4.

No wonder no-one took your price of 1.9.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 27, 2012

Surely this whole debate now is becoming side-tracked. The issue isn't whether Thorn cheated the odds given by the bookies, it's whether he cheated, or continues to defy the odds given by the owner's investment in the first team squad. Anything else a distraction.

Their investment rate was in the bottom three. Their return has been in the bottom three. Anyone expecting anything else has a mindset beyond me

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

CCFC said:
Is this not a post from you predicting we would stay up? I may have been confused by you saying "That is the first time I have ever predicted City to stay up this season."

You're right. Forgot about that.

That was me doing the prediction leagues. In my mind I always had us going down. It was only when I calculated the games one by one in prediction mode when I discovered we were staying up!

Forgot all about that. Manay apologies.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 27, 2012

Otis said:
You're right. Forgot about that.

That was me doing the prediction leagues. In my mind I always had us going down. It was only when I calculated the games one by one in prediction mode when I discovered we were staying up!

Forgot all about that. Manay apologies.

pheww thanks, I guess that means we can all go on our holidays now without worry then

Astute · Mar 27, 2012

Yeah right. So people have taken odds that didn't exist? We have not been favourites all season, but when not favourites we have been close to it. 4 teams are now less than evens. I suppose you can get better than that though considering only 3 teams go down

LastGarrison said:
For me, you're looking to much into the term "start of the season", by that I meant sometime before the season started not 1 day before kick off.

And as for them being odds on at the start of the season, absolute bollocks, most bookies didn't have us odds on until the start of November and at the start of the season, i.e. the very first day of the season, we were generally 7/4.

No wonder no-one took your price of 1.9.

kg82 · Mar 27, 2012

Is this not a pointless argument that just seems to be going round and round in circles? Does anybody really care that much to argue what the odds were at the beginning of the season? Surely it's just about concentrating on surviving now.

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

I need to know the odds as i am building a Tardis and aim to cash in!!

kg82 · Mar 27, 2012

Otis said:
I need to know the odds as i am building a Tardis and aim to cash in!!

Ah, well in that case my bad!

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 27, 2012

@richh87 said:
My problem with the Thorn out brigade is the refusal to acknowledge that the squad has been ripped apart and that this gave us a squad destined for relegation.

Yes the Manager will have off days (as Ferguson or Mourinho will) - but overall he has kept us in with a shout of staying up.

This Blackpool thing seems to now have been magnified to an entire half-season; which is utter bollocks.

Except few want him sacked-all we say, and continue to say, is that he has faults as a manager, for which SISU are not to blame.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 27, 2012

Only 2 points off our current total

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 27, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Except few want him sacked-all we say, and continue to say, is that he has faults as a manager, for which SISU are not to blame.

Let us be clear, every manager has their faults. Every single one.

What SISU have done is to rob Thorn of the talent to cover his arse when he drops a howler. Other managers - managers of our perceived contemporaries - have this luxury. We don't.

That's why may of us think Thorn's been dealt cards from which it's very difficult to perm a winning hand, compared to our peers. No more, no less. Acknowledgement of this simple fact is a great starting point for the detractors to at least start constructing a considered stance

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 27, 2012

We do, and argue that certain parts of his performance are below par even in the context of SISU. We are all very very aware of the club's financial state relative to its peers who spend what they don't have.

@richh87 · Mar 27, 2012

What is good however, is to see that the people that don't like Thorn so much point to his record post xmas as a reason for his pre-xmas record being unacceptable.

This can only mean that he has learned rapidly from any mistakes.

Imagine what he'd be like next season with cash under new owners!

My Andy Thorn cult is coming along nicely...

Astute · Mar 27, 2012

I'll join your cult if you take my wife and 7 kids off my hands

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

CCFC said:
Only 2 points off our current total

Ahh ... the glory days pre Blackpool!

Grendel · Mar 27, 2012

@richh87 said:
Wh

My Andy Thorn cult is coming along nicely...

If you want a cult with Andy thorn let's leave you to it.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 27, 2012

Astute said:
I'll join your cult if you take my wife and 7 kids off my hands

Would very gladly have that over singledom Astute!

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 27, 2012

Otis said:
Ahh ... the glory days pre Blackpool!

Or is it post Blackpool as they had just been promoted :thinking about:

Astute · Mar 27, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would very gladly have that over singledom Astute!

Eldest 26, youngest two are 2 and 3. Not so bad as only have 4 at home. Going to a game is peace for me. That is until my 2 year old starts going soon. He has the initials CCFC. Had enough of my other lads supporting other teams,although they are all teams close to where they are born so can't complain too much. Should be easier this time as our nearest club is Barrow

SydneySkyBlue · Mar 27, 2012

This debate needs some fresh impetus. Let's add some percentages into it.

I think our league position is 80% SISU's fault, 20% Thorn's.

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

CCFC said:
Or is it post Blackpool as they had just been promoted :thinking about:

Not what I meant exactly.

Grendel · Mar 27, 2012

GinettasStickySofa said:
This debate needs some fresh impetus. Let's add some percentages into it.

I think our league position is 80% SISU's fault, 20% Thorn's.

I would probably agree with that.

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

And 15% the players fault.

Maths was never my strong point.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 27, 2012

Otis said:
Not what I meant exactly.

Think I will just let this reference sail over my head

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 27, 2012

kduffy said:
I would probably agree with that.

So the players are faultless?

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

No, told you. 15%

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 27, 2012

Want about Jacques Chirac? He's got to have some of the blame. Can we settle on 5% culpability for the ex-French President?

Otis · Mar 27, 2012

If he's French triple it at least!!

Used to work for a French company and when the things went wrong the boss always used to put his head in his hands and shout out 'triple shit!'

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