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ICHAN
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More fool him, sorry ccfcway that's his problem if he did.
We still only have 4 wins all season and the stats are pilling up against us for worst records, and I am sorry if you do not agree or if no-one agrees, but to me that is nothing to be proud of as a CCFC fan (not saying anyone is proud of this) and on this alone he should be gone, but how can people justify in wanting to keep him on as manager?
No other club would have left him in the job he has and have as much sympathy from the fans
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Grendel
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We should have a post dedicated to the qualities of andy tj
Thorn. It's sad really. People want something to succeed so they just ignore every stat thrown at them. The irony lost on all thorns supporters is that only sisu would employ him! He is a symptom of the problem. Clueless, gutless and with no shame. It's the same when people cheer Eastwood. Desperate for a hero when none exist.
All the bad stats this season are terrible. But margin of defeat every time is narrow. A decent manager would have given us a chance. This useless charlatan gave us no chance from the start.
Thorn. It's sad really. People want something to succeed so they just ignore every stat thrown at them. The irony lost on all thorns supporters is that only sisu would employ him! He is a symptom of the problem. Clueless, gutless and with no shame. It's the same when people cheer Eastwood. Desperate for a hero when none exist.
All the bad stats this season are terrible. But margin of defeat every time is narrow. A decent manager would have given us a chance. This useless charlatan gave us no chance from the start.
Big Cyrille
New Member
Sir Alex wouldn't keep us up and to be honest we are going nowhere until the asset strippers are gone forever!!!! I want to go to sleep and when i wake up i want them to be gone and we have owners in charge of us who want to run a football club and not a business
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You don't know he wouldn't keep us up so that is a pointless statement. I do know that Manchester United would not have been a major force in world football if Andy Thorn was in charge of them.
Big Cyrille
New Member
Maybe you're right (Kduffy) but what i do know is these are the worst players we've had since we've been relegated and they try their socks off. I've seen previous teams under Gary Mac, Peter Reid, Micky Adams etc with better players stroll around and under achieve. I believe we're not under achieving this year. We just have to face facts that we're just not good enough
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You REALLY think McCallister and Reid's teams were better? I don't.
Big Cyrille
New Member
I know we had poor players under these managers. The only manager we've had that has done well since we were relegated was Eric Black and maybe Roland would have done well if we hadn't bought Jim Smith in but how many players have we got now that other championship sides would want? In my opinion we have Richard Keogh and i'm struggling to find another
Big Cyrille
New Member
The only reason we did well one year under Micky Adams was we were lucky enough to have Dennis Wise
If you look at some of the players we had then in my opinion they would walk into this side.
Under Mcallister we had Bothroyd, Safri, Konjic, Eustace, Davenport and even Mcallister himself if you include the season Black took over you can add Warnock and Adebola. I would also add Stern John when Reid was in charge, I can't really remember any other of his signings.
stupot07
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Really? In 2002-03 McCallister had himself, Safri, Chippo, Eustace, Davenport, Konjic, Caldwell, Sheffers, Joachim, Holdsworth, Jansen, Hignett, Partridge, Shaw - not all the greatest but 11 of these players had premier league experience, Partridge, Joachim, Boothroy and Sheffers had pace, some creativity in McCallister and Hignett, and as bad a Joachim was for us, i'd have him every time over ROD and Cody. And McCallister had 8 assists.
in 2003-04 McCallister had himself, Warnock, Doyle, Shaw, Staunton, Davenport, Safri, Joachim, Adebola, Sheffers, Gudjonsson etc Again 6 or 7 players with premier league experience, there was some dross like Graham Barratt, although he did get a full Rep Ireland cap while playing for us, there's also pace upfront in Joachim, Adebola, Sheffers - i'd take them pair over ROD/Cody and Platt - (sheffers scored 11 League goals in 16 starts)
In 2004 Reid had Doyle, Hughes, McSheffrey, Shaw, Staunton, Suffo, John, Adebola, Morrell - granted the rest of Reid's team weren't great but again you would take Dele, John and McSheffrey at that time over our strike forces now, again there's still top flight experience in Hughes, Shaw, McSheffrey, Staunton, Suffo, and John.
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Jack Griffin
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Granted they weren't the best players, but they were better on their goalscoring records in that period compared to our strikeforce there days. Plus it isn't just the strikers that are poor, our midfield can't find the net either!
League stats only...
Player ... Starts (subs) Goals
Adebola. 115 (48) ....... 31
Suffo...... 22 (26) ......... 10
Morrell... 53 (45) .......... 17 * mostly wasted on right wing
Deadwood.. 72 (39) ..... 17 * compare with Morrell!
ROD.......... 6 (7) ........... 0
Platt........ 30 (18) ......... 5
Baker ...... 47 (23) ......... 2 * compare with Morrell!
I could compare John with Sheffs or Juke, but all decent enough for lower Championship team, the main point I'm making here is -- OUR SUPPORT STRIKERS/MIDFIELDERS DON'T FRIGGIN WELL SCORE EXCEPT ONCE IN A BLUE MOON & THEY USED TO CHIP IN A LOT MORE, hence we are stuffed!
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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The thing these stats ignore, although they are compelling in one regard, is that Thorn is dealing with a demoralised squad, as star players are sold at every turn.
But let me guess, it's Thorn's fault for not motivating the balance left every time, eh
But let me guess, it's Thorn's fault for not motivating the balance left every time, eh
Grendel
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Oddly yes that's his job. Perhaps if they had a manger they have belief in they may improve morale.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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It's an impossible job and disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise
Grendel
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Nothings impossible and as we have a manager with no experience, no pressure in terms of delivering results you me or no one else will ever know a new manager might not have changed fortunes.
Look where peteborough are. Swansea were relegated by the media before a ball was kicked. Thorns bungling has helped make it impossible.
Look where peteborough are. Swansea were relegated by the media before a ball was kicked. Thorns bungling has helped make it impossible.
ccfcway
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Would man utd players believe in Fergie if they let Rooney / Rio / Carrick / Giggs and Nani go without replacing them.
Thats pretty much what we have had to do with our team (let our best players go).
Is Thorn the worlds best manger, well, no-one knows, but what we do know is being botom of the league is not his fault !
stupot07
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Peterborough and swansea are not great examples they haven't got new managers and have been playing in the same/similar system and style of football for the last 4 1/2 years. Yes ferguson went to preston for a bit but he was able to pick up where he left off. The same with Swansea - Martinez developed the system and style of football and subsequent manager have built on it rather than scrap it an start again.
Not to mention that both teams went into this season off the back of success, which breeds confidence and self belief.
Not to mention that both teams went into this season off the back of success, which breeds confidence and self belief.
SydneySkyBlue
Member
I can't believe that after everything that's happened at our club there are still people left blaming Thorn. You couldn't make it up.
Houchens Head
Fairly well known member from Malvern
No I blame sisu and thorn who is happy to be on their payroll
Despite knowing he can t do anything. They are one and the same
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Manager criticised for being bottom of the league. Shock, horror. Sorry I thought his job was to try and improve things. My mistake.
city old boy
New Member
There teams were never bottom and scored more goals
SydneySkyBlue
Member
Sorry you're right, it's his duty as a paid miracle worker.
The Reverend Skyblue
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I think what most people are not anti Thorn the man, it's the tactics that he sticks by come rain or shine that most disapprove of.
If a certain system does not work , or the players in the team can not get used to them, etc ,then surely you would find a system to fit the players you have available to you.
I have seen very few anti-Thorn the man posts, its his stubborness to stick with the diamond and looking at the table i would of thought by now that he realised it has not been working.
We are bottom and almost certainly down, one of the major problems that has caused this is, the tactics to fit the players he has available to him.
Very few are anti - Thorn the man, and we all realise he's pissing against the wind, but why play a system that requires at its core, that players with touch and skill must have it in there locker to get the ball down play it around and when ready make that killer pass, when quite clearly we have no players of really true quality to do this. My opinion only.
The Rev
If a certain system does not work , or the players in the team can not get used to them, etc ,then surely you would find a system to fit the players you have available to you.
I have seen very few anti-Thorn the man posts, its his stubborness to stick with the diamond and looking at the table i would of thought by now that he realised it has not been working.
We are bottom and almost certainly down, one of the major problems that has caused this is, the tactics to fit the players he has available to him.
Very few are anti - Thorn the man, and we all realise he's pissing against the wind, but why play a system that requires at its core, that players with touch and skill must have it in there locker to get the ball down play it around and when ready make that killer pass, when quite clearly we have no players of really true quality to do this. My opinion only.
The Rev
sky blue john
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Excellent point ccfcway also I would like to point out to the muppets who think that we should be doing better with the players we have.
" We don't know what players are having to play with injuries each week because our Fu cking squad is so thin and the Wan kers Sisu are responsible for not replacing any players they have sold or run down their contract "
If Sisu say one more time that they are doing all they can with AT to strengthen the squad I will screeeeam !!!!!!!
How about don't Fuc king sell our best players !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SydneySkyBlue
Member
Reverend, that I can almost understand (even though I don't think any manager we are capable of getting would have us outside the relegation zone right now).
It's posts like this that I can never understand:
That's got nothing to do with tactics and there's no logic to it either. It's just pure ignorance.
It's posts like this that I can never understand:
That's got nothing to do with tactics and there's no logic to it either. It's just pure ignorance.
shmmeee
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What system would you suggest?
The diamond was thought up because we have a dearth of CMs and no wingers, we still have that squad in fact.
We've tried 433 and looked poor until we switched back to the diamond. 442 is out the window as previously stated we have no wingers. We've tried 532 in some parts of games and it's never looked good, and besides is generally accepted as outdated anyway.
I keep hearing that the diamond is rubbish and the reason we're doing badly, but no-one ever explains why and what should take its place. Much like Thorn really.
Astute
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Their teams never got any decent goalscorer sold or let go for free without being replaced.
We do not play like a team stranded at the bottom of the table. We normally lose by only one goal. Why is this? Other teams are after goalscorers. SISU will sell anyone that will bring money in. Our top scorer at the club is now on 3 goals after half a season. If we had an owner that was willing to back our manager we could have King and Juke still at the club. How many on here are so biased or so thick to say we would be bottom with a partnership of those two and cover for all positions?
I suppose it is the fault of AT though. He should be able to make players good enough to score goals. The players should be able to play whilst injured. Our younger players should be able to get the better of the seasoned pro's.
The way I see it is AT must be doing something right. The results keep going against us, but we rarely get outplayed. We just need goals to have a chance. Maybe a couple of seasoned pro's to help the younger players out.
