442 is a simple solid system and every pro player should be able to play it.
I agree that Black did well but the formation thing isn't entirely correct. He had a great start with 3 wins 2 draws in the first 6 games similar to Thorn really but he finished I think with 7 points from his last 7 games. His last game being the 5-2 win at Gillingham. His main problem was the fact he changed his team all the time. I remember we beat Walsall 6-1 with a 4-3-3 formation with McSheff, Morrel and Joachim up top and then the following week he changed it to 3 centre backs, wing backs and 2 up top and we drew 1-1 with Ipswich then a couple of games later at home against Norwich we lost 2-0 and he went 4-4-2 and dropped McSheff in place of Suffo (who remembers him?). The point is people remember Black as this all out attacking manager but forget how annoying he was when he changed his system and players every week, even after a good result.
On the whole I think we all want the team to do well and would love Thorn to win every game but at the moment the facts say something very different. We've got no cash so he's not going anywhere and will still be managing us at the turn of the year no matter what the results but I don't see how anyone can be happy with how we are currently playing and that is surely the only thing that matters to any of us.
Excellent post black osprey. We haven't played 4 2 4 since the 1970's.
Tbh, I did watch a few games under Black (note: I was 9 when he was manager and didn't get up that often because no one could take me, bar football manager or football team) and after looking back at programmes when he managed he played a lot of formations, 4-3-3, 4-2-4, diamond 4-4-2. The point largely being that he did not play 4-4-2.
I know for a FACT we played 4-2-4 when Black was manager!
How do you know it as a FACT?
We did play 4-4-2 under Black as well.
How do you know it as a FACT?
We did play 4-4-2 under Black as well.
We never played with 2 outright wingers. The Icelandic guy was key to blacks success and he played advanced right midfield but was never an out and out winger. It would be suicide to attempt that in the game now.
Most of the time was 4-4-2 but work the wide midfield in advanced positions. No team in 40 years of watching football has played the formation we see under thorn.
Ah well it's just the job in the lower leagues of English football then and the fact you cannot provide evidence of one English team that deploys it successfully is evidence enough.
And Santos use it now...
Norwich, 2 promotions in a row, Swindon, one of the favourites this year.
Who says we need to play formations that only English teams use, AT can use formations used abroad.
If you think we should play 4-4-2 because it was a popular formation, it shows the backwardness of English fans...:facepalm: :claping hands:
Also, if 4-4-2 is such a great formation, why are the FA trying to get 4-3-3 popular @ grass roots and at professional academies... :laugh:
And why since thorn took over are we at our lowest win ratio since 1917? Sorry little boy A for effort D for attainment.
Roland Nilsson did not have an appalling record and Micky Adams got us up to an 8th place finish.
Why should someone back a manager who is clearly not suitable? He is and never will be bigger than the club.
I weren't really around for Nilsson but by the sounds of it, he didn't do particularly well either.
Adams should've had more time but, after the 8th place, we did rubbish the season after.
But a lot better than we did under thorn.
I weren't really around for Nilsson but by the sounds of it, he didn't do particularly well either.
Adams should've had more time but, after the 8th place, we did rubbish the season after.
The diamond formation is not suitable for the players we have, why doesn't he play a formation keeping in mind the players we have?
What suits our team then.
Give the biggun, now come up with a useful answer.
Say 4-4-2 and you are a fecking idiot. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
I would use 3-5-2 or 4-3-2-1 - do you really think the diamond is a successful with the players we have?
Say 4-4-2 and you are a fecking idiot.
Nilsson had the rug pulled from under his feet. The then board had a great idea of installing the Bald Eagle as his assistant and the rest was history. Nilsson and Black were the great "what-ifs" of the post-prem era. To my memory, the only times where success wasn't just a pipe dream.
Sick Boy, I viewed Adams with an irrational dislike so probably don't read too much into this, but to my mind, it was the signing of Wise that got us that league position. Without Wise in the team, Adams was happless. The worst manager we've had since relegation from the prem.
Wise was signed quite late on in the season, wasn't he? Adams hardly had a lot of cash to spend either, yet he led us to our best finish since relegation. Something no other manager has achieved since with larger budgets.
Why does Adams not deserve the credit for signing Wise? I was not a massive fan of his but why should some managers get praise for signings when others don't?
Wise was signed in January and at that point we were in the lower reaches of the table. Adams deserves the credit for signing him, sure.
Nilsson had the rug pulled from under his feet. The then board had a great idea of installing the Bald Eagle as his assistant and the rest was history. Nilsson and Black were the great "what-ifs" of the post-prem era. To my memory, the only times where success wasn't just a pipe dream.
Sick Boy, I viewed Adams with an irrational dislike so probably don't read too much into this, but to my mind, it was the signing of Wise that got us that league position. Without Wise in the team, Adams was happless. The worst manager we've had since relegation from the prem.
I would use 3-5-2 or 4-3-2-1 - do you really think the diamond is a successful with the players we have?
What's next? "Dropped your gay card"? :facepalm::facepalm:
Norwich and Lambert used it in league 1 and championship, they are in the premier league now.Ah well it's just the job in the lower leagues of English football then and the fact you cannot provide evidence of one English team that deploys it successfully is evidence enough.
Norwich and Lambert used it in league 1 and championship, they are in the premier league now.
But don't let silly reasoning like that get in the way of your Thorn vendetta
Obviously there is more to management than just selecting a formation but the diamond can be successful if you have the right players and set up for it
If we are still playing bad and not looking like mounting a challenge after 10-15 games then I agree he should be replaced
Only an idiot would sack the manager after 1 game after allowing him to sign 9 new players just before that
What like the idiot that did it at Norwich you mean?
What like the idiot that did it at Norwich you mean?
1-1 is a little different to a 7-1 defeat with clive platt scoring against you
We didn't lose 7-1 though at home. If we had I think the majority would be calling for his headWhat like the idiot that did it at Norwich you mean?
Cody Mc :guitar2:Guess who scored for Norwich that day!
Cody Mc :guitar2:
We didn't lose 7-1 though at home. If we had I think the majority would be calling for his head
All I meant is you don't give a manager a chance to finally build a squad he wants only to sack him immediately unless something extreme happens like it did for Norwich
You just take every comment out of context
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