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  • Start date Aug 14, 2016
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #36
All I know is there is atleast as much land at Ryton as there was at the Wigan set up so there is enough land to copy what they have atleast
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #37
rupert_bear said:
All I know is three is atleast as much land at Ryton as there was at the Wigan set up so there is enough land to copy what they have atleast
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Haven't we already ascertained Wigan is Cat 3?

Does this include allowing space for the first team and reserves to have pitches to train on?
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #38
rupert_bear said:
We have the land...at Ryton, as much land as what I seen at Wigan, maybe a little more, layout just needs re-jigging a bit and there's indoor facilities at the Connexion !
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How are you re-jigging at Ryton to fit anything in? We don't own the whole site just the lodge and two pitches. There's an extremely limited amount of land owned by the club that's not in use already.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #39
rupert_bear said:
All I know is there is atleast as much land at Ryton as there was at the Wigan set up so there is enough land to copy what they have atleast
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I've just had a look at Wigans academy on Google Maps and its much bigger than Ryton.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #40
Stop making excuses for SISU ffs! I haven't been to Ryton for ages but I'm certain there were pitches running back to back and one at the side, there were certainly more than two wouldn't take Capability Brown to re-design the lay out, just needs the will to want to do it. All this clap-trap that's gone on about can't get a meeting with this lot, that lot through out the summer is just that clap-trap, stalling for what ever and if the bottom line is Cat3 that's better than fuck all in my book.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #41
rupert_bear said:
Stop making excuses for SISU ffs!
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Who is making excuses?

I haven't been to Ryton for ages
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If the site ain't big enough, it ain't big enough!
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #42
Deleted member 5849 said:
Who is making excuses?



If the site ain't big enough, it ain't big enough!
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You should know the process by now.

Make something up
Get corrected
Shout about defending SISU
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #43
As an aside, it's worth noting that HS2 could do for Villa's training facilities, so it's not just us and Wasps looking for large open spaces in the area...
 

stupot07

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #44
rupert_bear said:
All I know is there is atleast as much land at Ryton as there was at the Wigan set up so there is enough land to copy what they have atleast
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We've been through this before. There is no room at ryton. Where exactly do you put an indoor 3g pitch, and outdoor 3g pitch, 3-4 outdoor grass pitches, and all the changing rooms, medical rooms, meeting rooms, classrooms, canteen etc on the ccfc ryton site? Plus enough room for the first team and reserves?


The site is only just big enough for 2 pitch and some changing/office/gym/etc

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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #45
stupot07 said:
We've been through this before. There is no room at ryton. Where exactly do you put an indoor 3g pitch, and outdoor 3g pitch, 3-4 outdoor grass pitches, and all the changing rooms, medical rooms, meeting rooms, classrooms, canteen etc on the ccfc ryton site? Plus enough room for the first team and reserves?


The site is only just big enough for 2 pitch and some changing/office/gym/etc

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Look, rupert has said that it's big enough and I trust what he says. OK?
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #46
fernandopartridge said:
Look, rupert has said that it's big enough and I trust what he says. OK?
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And he hasn't been there for ages apparently so he definitely is the guy in the know.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 15, 2016
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If Rupert just stopped to think a little bit, he'd maybe think the biggest criticism is that our only asset is a small bit of training pitches in rural(ish!) Warwickshire... not that we're not utilising it properly!

Still... won't get fooled again?
 
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Jamieblue7

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #48
And the academy need 4 grass pitches. That's without 1st team and 21s. How on earth does 2 pitches turn into 6. Really !! Please
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #49
Jamieblue7 said:
And the academy need 4 grass pitches. That's without 1st team and 21s. How on earth does 2 pitches turn into 6. Really !! Please
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If, as seems highly likely, we have to leave Higgs for me the best bet is Warwick uni. Had a look at their facilities and their plans at the weekend and I don't think it would take too much to bring that up to standard. Plus there's a lot more uni owned land around where the existing and planned facilities are which falls under Warwick Council not CCC.
 
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italiahorse

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #50
How ever you cut it Sisu need to be more proactive and stop playing victim.
 

Otis

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #51
fernandopartridge said:
Look, rupert has said that it's big enough and I trust what he says. OK?
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If you can't trust Rupert Bear to be upstanding, truthful and honest, then who can you trust?
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #52
Otis said:
If you can't trust Rupert Bear to be upstanding, truthful and honest, then who can you trust?[/QUOTE
Well I'm a huge fan of Rupert_bear. if only for the fact it reminds me of a time I was foolish enough to wear checked trousers.
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #53
The plain truth is sisu don't want an academy that costs them over half a million a year but want to push the blame anywhere they can so long as it's not on their doorstep
 
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Jamieblue7

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #54
Rupert. Is that a fact or an opinion. If it's fact let's have it. If it's an opinion then your welcome to it.
I bet the club have a cat 2 academy next season. That's my opinion
 
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SkyBlueZack

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #55
rupert_bear said:
The plain truth is sisu don't want an academy that costs them over half a million a year but want to push the blame anywhere they can so long as it's not on their doorstep
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The irony of this is incredible. You say pushing the blame elsewhere but fall hook line and sinker for all other parties putting the blame at the club you support. I have to laugh otherwise I'd cry.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #56
Yes I believe Chris Anderson will close the academy.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #57
SkyBlueZack said:
The irony of this is incredible. You say pushing the blame elsewhere but fall hook line and sinker for all other parties putting the blame at the club you support. I have to laugh otherwise I'd cry.
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What other parties ?
 

Nick

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #58
rupert_bear said:
What other parties ?
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Point proven
 
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SkyBlueZack

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #59
You know who. The ones with the door open and you only have to ask. The ones who quote ccfc are building their own etc. Blah blah. Zzzzzzz
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #60
SkyBlueZack said:
You know who. The ones with the door open and you only have to ask. The ones who quote ccfc are building their own etc. Blah blah. Zzzzzzz
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Name them, don't have a clue who you are on about
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #61
rupert_bear said:
The plain truth is sisu don't want an academy that costs them over half a million a year but want to push the blame anywhere they can so long as it's not on their doorstep
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So in reality how would that work? The club are currently putting more than the minimum requirement into the academy which doesn't indicate to me they are about to close it down.

£600K a year is going in for that we run an academy costing over £1m. Move to cat 3 and the FA grant drops a lot. We'd be looking at running an academy on £500K a year, or even less if we don't even have cat 3.

That's means it will be harder to attract good players and players we sell will return less in compensation. That increased the chances of our better players being picked off earlier. They can be taken cheaply so are less of a risk.

Now look at how much per year ex-academy player sales bring in compared to the cost. Then look at how many first team players are ex-academy players. Even if you pick those players up for free there will still be agents fees.

So how much do SISU, who aren't putting money into the club anymore, 'saving' by closing the academy?
 

Nick

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #62
rupert_bear said:
Name them, don't have a clue who you are on about
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Do you?
 
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Jamieblue7

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #63
rupert_bear said:
Of course you are correct and the bulk of that £600/700k investment comes from an FA grant. We have made a good few million out of the academy so using some of that money to build our own independent of anyone else has to be better than piggy backing with Wasps, using some of the Maddison money for example
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Incorrect again Rupert. The academy budget is around 1.2 million. With 600k coming from a grant from premier league. If you go and speak to people there they are a happy to discuss
 
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SkyBlueZack

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #64
He'd rather make things up and shout about it. Go Rupert!
 

SBchimp

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #65
What I dont get Rupert, as you were at Wigan you presumably have a son at the academy.
You seem very negative about it. as we have one of the most productive academy's in the country aren't you living the dream??
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #66
We can stay there providing we play water polo
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #67
Both on the same scale. Apparently we just need to move things around a bit at Ryton and we can fit in something similar to Wigan!
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Aug 15, 2016
  • #68
SBchimp said:
What I dont get Rupert, as you were at Wigan you presumably have a son at the academy.
You seem very negative about it. as we have one of the most productive academy's in the country aren't you living the dream??
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Well the dream continues as we are off to Carrington Thursday. As an aside confidence on the future for the academy from staff I would say isn't great
 

SBchimp

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  • Aug 16, 2016
  • #69
rupert_bear said:
Well the dream continues as we are off to Carrington Thursday. As an aside confidence on the future for the academy from staff I would say isn't great
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Well my opinion is totally opposite to yours. As an academy parent I find the staff very positive, in fact they are the most upbeat I've seen them for a few seasons. Have you not noticed the new equipment arriving on a regular basis? The new mini bus last season? The great pitches that have been relaid each of the last 3 seasons. I'm no fan of the owners and how they run the club, but from an academy perspective they stumping up what is required!
Enjoy Man Utd, hope they get a result.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 16, 2016
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SBchimp said:
Well my opinion is totally opposite to yours. As an academy parent I find the staff very positive, in fact they are the most upbeat I've seen them for a few seasons. Have you not noticed the new equipment arriving on a regular basis? The new mini bus last season? The great pitches that have been relaid each of the last 3 seasons. I'm no fan of the owners and how they run the club, but from an academy perspective they stumping up what is required!
Enjoy Man Utd, hope they get a result.
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Good to hear, some of the pitches looked fantastic!

What equipment are they getting in?
 
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