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Nick

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  • Dec 13, 2022
  • #12,321
Isn't pre-existing if it takes 10 months to get a referral appointment

Yeah I had it through a previous job and it was really good, well worth the contribution I made.

I know it's not how they work but would be interesting if it was an option.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 13, 2022
  • #12,322
Nick said:
I know it's not how they work but would be interesting if it was an option.
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It'd mean we were leaving poorer people to die - I wouldn't call that interesting!
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 13, 2022
  • #12,323
All the private health insurance enthusiasts will love it until they need it for anything other than very basic elective care
 
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dutchman

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,324
shmmeee said:
Don’t think insurance will cover pre existing conditions (which I assume you’ve got if you’re already at this stage), you’d probably have to pay for whatever it costs.
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Not for a private individual but they may do for those in a group scheme?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,325
Nick said:
NHS

"Protect the NHS"

Get to fuck. It's useless.

Got an appointment but it's ok it's October 2023.

Have to sort it myself again. Wish it was possible to opt out sometimes.
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Bro respectfully you have no fucking idea how lucky you are
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,326
Just recovering from a new hip. 10 weeks from referral to the operating table. It should have been 5 weeks but original op day got cancelled at last minute. Fantastic service fro Oxford Health Trust.
Nick, you are free to check if there are quicker routes at other Health Trusts, you do not have to stick with your local authority.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,327
Also to add, I had a specialist referral end of last year that gave me Sept 23 as the earliest appointment then got a call in April this year saying they could move it up.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,328
robbiekeane said:
Bro respectfully you have no fucking idea how lucky you are
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The only luck I have sort of had so far is that I have worked fucking hard to scrape some extra money together to sort issues myself previously.

Don't doubt for some people the NHS is a lifesaver (literally) but if you're in between dying and "have some anti biotics" then you're on your own. (in my experience and people close to me, anyway)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,329
Sbarcher said:
Just recovering from a new hip. 10 weeks from referral to the operating table. It should have been 5 weeks but original op day got cancelled at last minute. Fantastic service fro Oxford Health Trust.
Nick, you are free to check if there are quicker routes at other Health Trusts, you do not have to stick with your local authority.
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Ohhhh how do you use the referral to look for appointments at other Trusts?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,330
Nick said:
Ohhhh how do you use the referral to look for appointments at other Trusts?
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Have you got the online booking thing? That’s where I could choose
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,331
shmmeee said:
Have you got the online booking thing? That’s where I could choose
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Yeah I did that and it only gave me the option for Cov after I put the passcode etc etc in. Then it said no appointments to pick, so they send a letter.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,332
Nick said:
Yeah I did that and it only gave me the option for Cov after I put the passcode etc etc in. Then it said no appointments to pick, so they send a letter.
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Huh. I remember getting at least Nuneaton and UHCW options.
 

Sbarcher

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,333
Nick said:
Ohhhh how do you use the referral to look for appointments at other Trusts?
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Your choices in the NHS

Find out about your right to choose where you have your NHS treatment.
www.nhs.uk

The other option is to go private for just the referral, this often helps to "grease" the waiting time for any treatment.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,334
Nick said:
The only luck I have sort of had so far is that I have worked fucking hard to scrape some extra money together to sort issues myself previously.

Don't doubt for some people the NHS is a lifesaver (literally) but if you're in between dying and "have some anti biotics" then you're on your own. (in my experience and people close to me, anyway)
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The luck you have had is that you were born in a country that has national healthcare. You’ve never had to worry about paying for drugs, doctors visits/appointments, your partner giving birth, and generally getting old.

It has its problems for sure and in recent years it’s underfunded but “fuck the NHS” or whatever, mental and narrow minded
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,335
Hope you’re okay and it gets sorted anyway. I think this is just a rant thread
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,336
robbiekeane said:
The luck you have had is that you were born in a country that has national healthcare. You’ve never had to worry about paying for drugs, doctors visits/appointments, your partner giving birth, and generally getting old.

It has its problems for sure and in recent years it’s underfunded but “fuck the NHS” or whatever, mental and narrow minded
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Don't get free drugs sadly.

Maybe if I had different circumstances and knew how to milk it and play the game I might think different.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,337
Nick said:
Don't get free drugs sadly.

Maybe if I had different circumstances and knew how to milk it and play the game I might think different.
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I didn’t say free, I just said worry about paying for them. The poorest people get them free and others pay a minimal fee as they are heavily heavily subsidised

take a look at drug prices in the US
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,338
robbiekeane said:
I didn’t say free, I just said worry about paying for them. The poorest people get them free and others pay a minimal fee as they are heavily heavily subsidised

take a look at drug prices in the US
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This is what I mean. If I knew how to milk it I'd be in there getting 35p painkillers for free (Thats a joke...)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,339
robbiekeane said:
I didn’t say free, I just said worry about paying for them. The poorest people get them free and others pay a minimal fee as they are heavily heavily subsidised

take a look at drug prices in the US
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Genuine question, how does tax etc work in the US?

Just did a quick calculator online and the tax difference is huge between what I pay here and what I'd pay there.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,340
Nick said:
Genuine question, how does tax etc work in the US?

Just did a quick calculator online and the tax difference is huge between what I pay here and what I'd pay there.
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The tax rate is extremely low because they’re a much lower levels of welfare for people, and a fully privatised healthcare system. Salaries are significantly higher for a similar reason as well as the fact you don’t have mandatory employee benefits (e.g. mandatory pension contributions and amount of holiday per year is very different). Massive income inequality too which is great if you have a good job, not so much if you’re stuck at the other end.

I sort of think of it like if everyone was a contractor rather than an employee. In the UK you earn a tonne if you’re a contractor but get none of the benefits etc.

One of the issues with the UK at the minute is that people want US levels of taxation with European levels of welfare and those things don’t add up
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,341
robbiekeane said:
The tax rate is extremely low because they’re a much lower levels of welfare for people, and a fully privatised healthcare system. Salaries are significantly higher for a similar reason as well as the fact you don’t have mandatory employee benefits (e.g. mandatory pension contributions and amount of holiday per year is very different). Massive income inequality too which is great if you have a good job, not so much if you’re stuck at the other end.

I sort of think of it like if everyone was a contractor rather than an employee. In the UK you earn a tonne if you’re a contractor but get none of the benefits etc.

One of the issues with the UK at the minute is that people want US levels of taxation with European levels of welfare and those things don’t add up
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In terms of tax/welfare in the US I’ve always thought that they do essentially pay the equivalent amounts in taxes, just to insurance companies. I guess the difference is they can choose whether to pay health insurance or not?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,342
On healthcare the Yanks pay way more than anyone else:

 

robbiekeane

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,343
Terry_dactyl said:
In terms of tax/welfare in the US I’ve always thought that they do essentially pay the equivalent amounts in taxes, just to insurance companies. I guess the difference is they can choose whether to pay health insurance or not?
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No, they pay less overall in taxes because there’s very little welfare, health insurance is tied to your employer and almost unaffordable on its own (I.e. if not provided by your employer). Don’t get me wrong it’s not Switzerland, but it’s definitely a lot less than UK.

Everywhere you look responsibility for everything is given back to the individual.

Road tolls is a good one - tolls absolutely everywhere so if you use it you pay, if you don’t you don’t.

Tax returns - most employers “deduct” tax as you earn it but it’s only an estimate, you then have to file a big ass tax return every year. Your responsibility. Need some help? Pay someone to help you. Get it wrong? Go to jail lol
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,344
robbiekeane said:
I didn’t say free, I just said worry about paying for them. The poorest people get them free and others pay a minimal fee as they are heavily heavily subsidised
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And if you need a shit ton of medication like I do at the moment you can pay a monthly fee which is about a tenner a month that covers as many prescriptions as you need

I don't know how anyone looks at the US and thinks that's what we should aspire to in terms of healthcare
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,345
chiefdave said:
And if you need a shit ton of medication like I do at the moment you can pay a monthly fee which is about a tenner a month that covers as many prescriptions as you need

I don't know how anyone looks at the US and thinks that's what we should aspire to in terms of healthcare
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Yeah the missus is on more pills than Pac-Man and reckons even in the Netherlands she’d be massively out of pocket compared to here.
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,346
shmmeee said:
Yeah the missus is on more pills than Pac-Man and reckons even in the Netherlands she’d be massively out of pocket compared to here.
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Said before on here chemist shuts when I get mine(He has had a great day )So greatful i'am the wrong side of sixty in getting my drugs
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,347
robbiekeane said:
The tax rate is extremely low because they’re a much lower levels of welfare for people, and a fully privatised healthcare system. Salaries are significantly higher for a similar reason as well as the fact you don’t have mandatory employee benefits (e.g. mandatory pension contributions and amount of holiday per year is very different). Massive income inequality too which is great if you have a good job, not so much if you’re stuck at the other end.

I sort of think of it like if everyone was a contractor rather than an employee. In the UK you earn a tonne if you’re a contractor but get none of the benefits etc.

One of the issues with the UK at the minute is that people want US levels of taxation with European levels of welfare and those things don’t add up
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I used to work with a bloke who came over from the USA.

He said that tax was less, but after healthcare costs the UK was cheaper for him.

He didn't pay the maximum, so if him or a family member got cancer or some other similar disease, he was basically fucked.

 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,348
My current moan is the length of time to complete roadworks . The bridge at Ansty and the triple four from griff island come to mind.I've seen complete by passes built included bridges in less time.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,349
Online delivery.

Bought some boots online. They’ve arrived, really smart, but they’ve sent a size bigger than I ordered. No worries just send them back and order again, except now my size is out of stock And they seem to be out of stock everywhere.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,350
thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
My current moan is the length of time to complete roadworks . The bridge at Ansty and the triple four from griff island come to mind.I've seen complete by passes built included bridges in less time.
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Is that bridge still broken?
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,351
thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
My current moan is the length of time to complete roadworks . The bridge at Ansty and the triple four from griff island come to mind.I've seen complete by passes built included bridges in less time.
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I know. It's really frustrating.

Look at them Quatari's, they can throw up a whole world cup infrastructure in no time.

There was a few casualties along the way mind, but hey ho. They got things done.
 

Bugsy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,352
shmmeee said:
Online delivery.

Bought some boots online. They’ve arrived, really smart, but they’ve sent a size bigger than I ordered. No worries just send them back and order again, except now my size is out of stock And they seem to be out of stock everywhere.
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Quick fix...
Wear some football socks with them
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,353
Terry_dactyl said:
In terms of tax/welfare in the US I’ve always thought that they do essentially pay the equivalent amounts in taxes, just to insurance companies. I guess the difference is they can choose whether to pay health insurance or not?
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It's not a choice for many, as it's not affordable.

Most US doctors are very critical of their system because the effect is that a large proportion of the population have no access to health care except emergency care. So this means that people either wait until it is too late or clog up emergency care unnecessarily. It is a terrible system and they are very envious of the NHS and European systems.

Also many people find their insurance doesn't cover them when they seek treatment. The insurance companies won't insure people with serious health conditions unless they pay massively. We really do not want a US type system here.

If you go to the US don't get unwell.
 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,354
Cats!

Horrible cunts.

I now have to deal with a live finch with a broken wing because her cat presented it to the family as some sort of trophy.
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 14, 2022
  • #12,355
JAM See said:
I know. It's really frustrating.

Look at them Quatari's, they can throw up a whole world cup infrastructure in no time.

There was a few casualties along the way mind, but hey ho. They got things done.
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Don't get where you are coming from with that comment if it's meant to be sarcarm.I would not want to see any worker die constructing anything and with health and safety in this country being so good no reason why they should.I cannot speak for the way things are done in Qatar.I have said this World Cup should never have been played there.
 
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