The waiting game.... (5 Viewers)

Voice_of_Reason · Aug 21, 2013

Just waiting for the next step. What will it be ?

Liquidation ?

CVA re presented ?

Administration process re-starts again ?

SISU sells Otium ?

A sues B or B sues A ?

Something has to happen .... ACL is very quiet, as is the Council and the Administrator.

It's anyone's guess !!!

NOPM - PUSB

Ashdown1 · Aug 21, 2013

Judicial review to be thrown out............again !

skybluejelly · Aug 21, 2013

how long will it be before local buisnesses start lobbying the council to sell to sisu ,,last week would not have been terrible because of the charity match ..but from now on there takings are going to be battered.. the bus companies and pubs will be loosing a fortune,not to mention takeaways ,taxis,casino..the knock on effect is endless

jesus-wept · Aug 21, 2013

skybluejelly said:
how long will it be before local buisnesses start lobbying the council to sell to sisu ,,last week would not have been terrible because of the charity match ..but from now on there takings are going to be battered.. the bus companies and pubs will be loosing a fortune,not to mention takeaways ,taxis,casino..the knock on effect is endless

Why will local businesses such as Taxis, buses, takeaways and casino be losing a fortune. Casino still open, Tesco still open, they are building a new Frankie and Benny's and some Mexican grill thingy. So there must be some confidence somewhere. Buses run up and down the Foleshill Road all week and taxis don't take that much trade on football days, in fact with less traffic congestion they probably ain't that bothered.

Sky Blue Pete · Aug 21, 2013

I sincerely hope that our council are not playing a waiting game. They hold the keys to unlock this situation and I hope they are using them behind the scenes

mattylad · Aug 21, 2013

how about the option of SISU accepting a large offer for the club which will be offset by a lower sale price for the council half of ACL than previously offered, a deal for the Higgs share having already been agreed........now if only such an investor had just made such an offer...

jesus-wept · Aug 21, 2013

Certain they are mulling over what to do next. Unfortunately things can run slower than we like. There seems to be a number of fronts, there's the judicial review appeal, the revelations from the Football League chairman, how significant are they ? The fact ccfc ltd have not yet been liquidated as forecast, the possible appeal about a flawed administration and a request for a re-run, if any of those goes to court it could take months. There's also the writ to NTFC from ACL be interesting if that jumps the queue and where that leads. Meanwhile all us "small" people can do is speculate, read and listen, trudge over to Northampton once a fortnight (if that floats your boat) and hope the team keeps winning.

jesus-wept · Aug 21, 2013

mattylad said:
how about the option of SISU accepting a large offer for the club which will be offset by a lower sale price for the council half of ACL than previously offered, a deal for the Higgs share having already been agreed........now if only such an investor had just made such an offer...

You are right really. Apparently if you believe reports there's the American, Preston North Heskell, still around pops to uncle Joe's for tea on a regular basis so must be at least interested and there's the Byng/Chinese consortium popping their heads up now and again, (who are they though?) As it is obvious the attraction to both groups is the Ricoh and the surrounding potential and infrastructure more than a third division football club why doesn't either make a bid, or have they ?

With the naming rights due in less than 2 years some outlay can be recouped from that I would like to think more than the £10million received last time. One thing for certain the company Ricoh have certainly had plenty of publicity recently. One thing I keep thinking though is the likes of PHIV with Elliott and Hoffman in tow and probably this Byng character know a lot more than we do and may be . waiting for the right price. Trouble is we the fans are frustrated want a quick solution to this on going nightmare when big business people look very long term.

bringbackrattles · Aug 21, 2013

Is it just me or have I the feeling that the reason it's gone silent again is because we are getting resigned to the fact that we're stuck at Northampton now,and the march and ribbon tying is fading away ? I hope I'm wrong of course as I'm anti Sixfields and anti SISU.But with the team looking a lot better than we ever envisaged and goals coming thick and fast,it won't shock me at all to see the attendances creeping up at our new "home" ground in the coming weeks.
I bet Fisher is rubbing his hands in glee at that thought as that's what they want,more fans turning up.
But I'm planning to get my ticket for Shrewsbury away and even though I want to go to every game I have to stick to my guns and stay away from Northampton.

Skyblueweeman · Aug 21, 2013

mattylad said:
how about the option of SISU accepting a large offer for the club which will be offset by a lower sale price for the council half of ACL than previously offered, a deal for the Higgs share having already been agreed........now if only such an investor had just made such an offer...

If only there was such an investor....

SIR ERNIE · Aug 21, 2013

skybluejelly said:
how long will it be before local buisnesses start lobbying the council to sell to sisu ,,last week would not have been terrible because of the charity match ..but from now on there takings are going to be battered.. the bus companies and pubs will be loosing a fortune,not to mention takeaways ,taxis,casino..the knock on effect is endless

You're coming at this from the wrong direction.

A more relevant angle would be: how long will it be before local businesses start lobbying SISU to return to the Ricoh at £150k a season.

NOPM

Grendel · Aug 21, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
You're coming at this from the wrong direction.

A more relevant angle would be: how long will it be before local businesses start lobbying SISU to return to the Ricoh at £150k a season.

NOPM

How can local business people lobby sisu for an offer the never received. Are they going to pay the £250,000 shortfall?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 21, 2013

Sky Blue Pete said:
I sincerely hope that our council are not playing a waiting game. They hold the keys to unlock this situation and I hope they are using them behind the scenes

In what way are the council pivotal to progress?

I would suggest that if anyone wants to 'unlock this situation', it should be SISU. To either play at the Ricoh until they have their new stadium ready, or to offer a fair value for the freehold of the Ricoh?!?

If they did so, candidly, without strings or duplicity; and that offer was 'fair' (within the context of the totality of the claimed building of their own stadium - which looks half the proposition the Ricoh is), then I - with every other fair minded City supporter in the City - would be banging at the council's doors to urge acceptance.

But this isn't happening.....

SIR ERNIE · Aug 21, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
In what way are the council pivotal to progress?

I would suggest that if anyone wants to 'unlock this situation', it should be SISU. To either play at the Ricoh until they have their new stadium ready, or to offer a fair value for the freehold of the Ricoh?!?

If they did so, candidly, without strings or duplicity; and that offer was 'fair' (within the context of the totality of the claimed building of their own stadium - which looks half the proposition the Ricoh is), then I - with every other fair minded City supporter in the City - would be banging at the council's doors to urge acceptance.

But this isn't happening.....

100% spot on MMM

Kingokings204 · Aug 21, 2013

My best bet a revised CVA and this time agreed.

ccfcmustang · Aug 21, 2013

Fisher and Sepalla get thrown in a peruvian jail

GaryPendrysEyes · Aug 21, 2013

Sisu are not a fit company to own a key Coventry asset, we want them gone not further embedded in anything to do with Coventry. CCC know it would be a strategic disaster to sell to such an unprofessional and unethical company.
For now the ricoh will develop a new business model.

Stand firm and Sisu will sell up, a deal will be done with a new owner and we will return to the Ricoh.

Spionkop · Aug 21, 2013

Gary, couldn't agree more. Not a fit company to own a key Coventry asset. Well said. That about nails it. It would be a disaster.

SIR ERNIE · Aug 21, 2013

agree, well said Gary.

Huckerby · Aug 21, 2013

If i won the euro millions id pay SISU to do one, bank 10 mill for myself, then id do weekly polls in the telegraph to see where the fans wanted to go from there....

Skyblueweeman · Aug 21, 2013

GaryPendrysEyes said:
Sisu are not a fit company to own a key Coventry asset, we want them gone not further embedded in anything to do with Coventry. CCC know it would be a strategic disaster to sell to such an unprofessional and unethical company.
For now the ricoh will develop a new business model.

Stand firm and Sisu will sell up, a deal will be done with a new owner and we will return to the Ricoh.

And sell to whom exactly? That's all very well but what you and many others still continue to see is that they DONT HAVE ANYONE TO SELL TO that's going to benefit CCFC. PH and MB may have submitted offers but they're both only interested in the infrastructure, not the club. Haskell is a property developer and Byng is interested in HS2. When will people realise that at this moment in time (which could change at any minute), there's no knight in shining armour.

This doesn't mean we need to be continually negative and put up with the crap we currently have but people seem to think that all SISU need to do is sell the club and we'll be fine. We need someone who has lots of money, likes/loves CCFC and is stupid. Otherwise we'll sell to the likes of Haskell or Byng and there's a fair chance that they'll pay as much attention to the club as Seppala/SISU/Otium.

WM

RPHunt · Aug 21, 2013

One of the reasons we are where we are is because of council intervention in the past to save the club from paying the price of the, then, owner's folly.

I don't see how any other party, other than the fans, can do much to alter the current situation. They either trot along to Sixfields, to support 'their' team and keep the current regime on life support or they stay away and starve them out (preferably) or if not into compromise.

Samo · Aug 21, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
agree, well said Gary.

Erm... Didn't you 100% agree with the earlier post advocating selling the RICOH to SISU?

torchomatic · Aug 21, 2013

I predict we'll be stuck in the middle while SISU and ACL continue to release statements blaming each other.

torchomatic · Aug 21, 2013

Is this fantasy in cinemascope?

GaryPendrysEyes said:
Sisu are not a fit company to own a key Coventry asset, we want them gone not further embedded in anything to do with Coventry. CCC know it would be a strategic disaster to sell to such an unprofessional and unethical company.
For now the ricoh will develop a new business model.

Stand firm and Sisu will sell up, a deal will be done with a new owner and we will return to the Ricoh.

covmark · Aug 21, 2013

Key asset of Coventry = a football stadium that doesn't host football matches. Fantastic asset to have. I'm sure all the usual guff about concerts and Davis cup etc will be forthcoming. Primarily though it is a football stadium

chiefdave · Aug 21, 2013

Grendel said:
How can local business people lobby sisu for an offer the never received. Are they going to pay the £250,000 shortfall?

Maybe if Tim Fisher would publicly state they would accept a rent offer of £150K we could see if the offer exists or not. When questions about it on CWR he did his best to change the subject and was not prepared to say they would accept such an offer.

Paxman II · Aug 21, 2013

The 150k rent has not been made to 'SISU' though has it? So ask ACL why not?

As for 'ownership' of the Ricoh. I'm inclined to say never to this hedge Fund group in a million years. Now a long term assignable lease is a very different matter and should have been explored long ago. Again ask ACL?

As for business suffering due to loss of football at the Ricoh. Yes absolutely. I think people are under estimating the impact. I've seen two bus companies go bust since just one school cancelled their contract. It really does not take much when a business is reliant on regular income streams (where have we heard that before?)

Grendel · Aug 21, 2013

chiefdave said:
Maybe if Tim Fisher would publicly state they would accept a rent offer of £150K we could see if the offer exists or not. When questions about it on CWR he did his best to change the subject and was not prepared to say they would accept such an offer.

I thought ACL admitted the offer was made to the administrator and not otium?

SIR ERNIE · Aug 21, 2013

Samo said:
Erm... Didn't you 100% agree with the earlier post advocating selling the RICOH to SISU?

Erm no.

Samo · Aug 21, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
Erm no.

Originally Posted by Mary_Mungo_Midge

In what way are the council pivotal to progress?

I would suggest that if anyone wants to 'unlock this situation', it should be SISU. To either play at the Ricoh until they have their new stadium ready, or to offer a fair value for the freehold of the Ricoh?!?

If they did so, candidly, without strings or duplicity; and that offer was 'fair' (within the context of the totality of the claimed building of their own stadium - which looks half the proposition the Ricoh is), then I - with every other fair minded City supporter in the City - would be banging at the council's doors to urge acceptance.

But this isn't happening.....

100% spot on MMM

Erm... Yes

SIR ERNIE · Aug 21, 2013

Erm no.

I'll help you out as you're clearly struggling and I'm feeling generous.

MMM's original post does not advocate selling the Ricoh to SISU. Instead it argues that it's not ACL who have the power to unlock the situation, but SISU. It argues that if SISU were serious about the football club playing at the Ricoh, they would either return there and rent until they build their White Elephant Stadium OR offer ACL a fair price for the freehold.

That's what the post argued and that's what I agreed with, confident in the belief that SISU will do neither because they don't give a monkeys about the football club and would never pay a fair price for anything.

Clear now samo?

Samo · Aug 21, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
Erm no.

I'll help you out as you're clearly struggling and I'm feeling generous.

MMM's original post does not advocate selling the Ricoh to SISU. Instead it argues that it's not ACL who have the power to unlock the situation, but SISU. It argues that if SISU were serious about the football club playing at the Ricoh, they would either return there and rent until they build their White Elephant Stadium OR offer ACL a fair price for the freehold.

That's what the post argued and that's what I agreed with, confident in the belief that SISU will do neither because they don't give a monkeys about the football club and would never pay a fair price for anything.

Clear now samo?

'...or to offer a fair value for the freehold of the Ricoh?!?'

'then I - with every other fair minded City supporter in the City - would be banging at the council's doors to urge acceptance.'

No, not struggling at all Ernie, I never do with plain English in black and white. MMM's post is quite clear. Perhaps you should read posts properly before you agree with them?

SIR ERNIE · Aug 21, 2013

samo. my views and opinions are consistent on here, as are my posts on this thread.

run along and play your silly little games somewhere else eh?

shmmeee · Aug 21, 2013

chiefdave said:
Maybe if Tim Fisher would publicly state they would accept a rent offer of £150K we could see if the offer exists or not. When questions about it on CWR he did his best to change the subject and was not prepared to say they would accept such an offer.

Funny that cos in the Trust Q&A he says he'd accept £150k as long as "the other related income is acceptable" (or along those lines).

The club have stated they want all income "that would not exist had a football match not been played". Which implies car parking, F&B, casino and Costa takings, etc. my guess is that's the sticking point.

IIRC the Higgs shares come with all football related income AND half the rest. That options not on the table thanks to the club owing ACL money, but it'd be trivial for a company that has cash to fund a new stadium to resolve.

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