I don't know anyone that has been consulted on any CCFC topic by the SCG ever.
Mark Sorbie (Disabled Supporters)
As far as I'm concerned the Sky Blue Trust are doing more to represent me than the SCG.
I wouldn't worry about it, last week half the people didn't know what the SCG was and now it is public enemy number one and everyone is an expert and everybody involved.
I've been a disabled supporter since I was a boy and am now 57. I don't know who Mark Sorbie is. I have certainly never been asked my opinion on anything to do with the SCG.
Before we left Highfield Road there was a brief time when there was a disabled supporters group but nothing since.
By the way. I don't go to Sixfields and never shall. When SISU moved us they never even enquired if I wanted to renew my season ticket or sent any details of the facilities for wheelchair users there.
As far as I'm concerned the Sky Blue Trust are doing more to represent me than the SCG.
nore me and I'm a disabled supporter too, I only answered as I knew I'd seen what he did in some previous minutes. It's not been great for disabled supporters really the worst being the fact you can't get tickets even with 20k empty seats, you can't buy a season ticket, I had Dan (ticket office manager before he left) ring me up as I'd not renewed my season ticket obviously trying to talk me into buying one, half way through the call he realises it's not even possible to sell me one as there is none left.
I wouldn't worry about it, last week half the people didn't know what the SCG was and now it is public enemy number one and everyone is an expert and everybody involved.
What a very low opinion you have of a lot of the people who use your forum Nick...
So that isn't the case? It is nothing personal against people.
If you think half the people on here until a week ago had not heard of the SCG.
I am afraid that is a sad indictment of the SCG not the members here.
So that isn't the case? It is nothing personal against people.
Why is it? We only really hear about the trust because it communicates on here. A lot of fans not using this forum wouldn't know them or anything they stand for. Come to think of it I'm a member and I haven't a clue about their aims and objectives.
We have heard of the SCG anyway as king harvest used to post minutes on here.
Why is it? We only really hear about the trust because it communicates on here. A lot of fans not using this forum wouldn't know them or anything they stand for. Come to think of it I'm a member and I haven't a clue about their aims and objectives.
We have heard of the SCG anyway as king harvest used to post minutes on here.
Why is it? We only really hear about the trust because it communicates on here. A lot of fans not using this forum wouldn't know them or anything they stand for. Come to think of it I'm a member and I haven't a clue about their aims and objectives.
We have heard of the SCG anyway as king harvest used to post minutes on here.
Why is it? We only really hear about the trust because it communicates on here. A lot of fans not using this forum wouldn't know them or anything they stand for. Come to think of it I'm a member and I haven't a clue about their aims and objectives.
We have heard of the SCG anyway as king harvest used to post minutes on here.
Did some digging just so we get some facts and this is what I have been able to find out
15th October 2005 an idea from the Sky Blue Trust for a "Joint Council" agreed with CCFC
It had the following structure
CCFC 2 places (inc 1 director)
SB Trust 2 places
Coventry City Supporters Club 1 place
Coventry City London Supporters Club 1 place
CCFC Fanzines/website 1 place
The Trust were to Chair the meetings
January 2006 Paul Fletcher renamed it as the Supporters Consultative Group, but group remained independent. The Group was expanded in order to cover a bigger demographic. It was at this point Mr Strange (CC London Supporters Club) Mr Ward (Corporate Premier Club) and others joined
It was later further expanded to include Mr Brown (Club Historian) and Mr Heffernan (Coventry City Irish Supporters Club) and others
Mr Fisher in his role as CCFC CEO sponsors the SCG (I take that to mean he ensures things like room hire etc are paid for by the club but it isn't clear what sponsors means). As I understand it Mr Fisher agreed the terms of reference with the SCG - the general rules under which the SCG operates, that state the number of members, the aims and right of appointing new members
Taken from the published minutes the recent attendees of the SCG are
Club
Tim Fisher (director OEG)
Mark Labovitch (director OEG)
Nick Connoll (CCFC media/website? )
Tynan Scope (commercial manager CCFC)
Lee Corden (Advent Communications/CCFC program)
Jim Brown (official Club statistician)
other
Jonathan Strange (ex of London Supporters Club now representing long distance supporters) Chairman
Peter Ward Vice Chairman
Elaine Ward minute secretary
The Sky Blue Trust ( 2 from Steve Brown, Jan Mokrzycki (and represents Polish CCFC fans), Moz Baker)
Ian Davidson (CCFC London Supporters Club/Sky Blue international)
CovSupportNews (either Steve Barnett and/or Kev Monks)
Ray Stephens (Diamond Club)
Pat Raybould (Junior Sky Blues)
Kevin Heffernan (Coventry City Supporters Irish Branch/Vice Presidents)
Pat Abel (Tickets for Schools)
Darren Davies (originally Block 15 (if I have that wrong I apologise) and "no one likes us,we don't care")
Andy Powell (25-35 demographic)
Chris McGrath (?)
Mark Sorbie (?) (*edit represents disabled supporters)
Ian Barnes (?)
Terms of reference say there are up to 15 members, new members being invited on the voluntary resignation of others
The purpose of the group is stated as
to act as a channel of communication and consultation between the Club and its supporters
to continually improve the overall emotion that is experienced as a supporter of Coventry City Football Club through collaborative discussion and exchange of ideas
to promote the Club’s engagement in the local and regional community
to seek ways to continually improve match day experience, including increasing attendance and enhancing stadium atmosphere
to continually improve the image of the Club and the sense of pride in supporting Coventry City Football Club
my own thoughts & questions on it.......
As I have said elsewhere if they are there representing no one but themselves then fair enough but say so. However if they claim to represent a particular group or type of fan how when and what is the means of communication to that fan group they claim input for? because without such communication then at best they represent only their own views for that fan grouping at worst it is just a meaningless title for self justification. Also there are other supporters clubs listed on the club website why are they not involved? Who represents the disabled fans?(*see above - Mark Sorbie)
Can it be a group that unites the fans? - I seriously doubt it because the last three meetings have been divisive not inclusive. Perhaps they will prove that wrong. Looking at the aims I am not sure how any of it is being achieved
Having researched all that then I still do not feel that I am particularly well represented by the SCG. Nor have I seen any achievements by the SCG as a body (yes individuals and groups in it have achieved eg Pat Raybould for the JSB's but that is not the SCG). I do not perceive them as an independent group even if they are, just because the CEO sponsors it does not mean everything has to be channelled through the club eg get own website. I am uncomfortable with the majority of time spent in berating or doubting its own members because the last thing we need now is more division. I do not doubt the good intentions of any of its members and I am grateful for the time they all put in but it just appears superficial to me. Just my opinions, happy to be proven wrong and no insult or slight intended.
It obviously isn't the case though, is it Nick?
Look at the interest in Kingharvest's posts and it's perfectly clear that a lot of people have been following what's said at the SCG from afar.
Be honest Nick - you're not overly keen on the Trust, and on that basis you don't really care if they get a kicking from the SCG or the club. You're entitled to that opinion, but don't let's pretend that everyone feels the same.
Why is it? We only really hear about the trust because it communicates on here. A lot of fans not using this forum wouldn't know them or anything they stand for. Come to think of it I'm a member and I haven't a clue about their aims and objectives.
We have heard of the SCG anyway as king harvest used to post minutes on here.
I don't want people to get a kicking unfairly and have put that in all of my posts, if they have done nothing wrong then of course it is unwarranted.
So: guilty until proven innocent then?
More like saying I don't know if they have done anything wrong or not so therefore don't know if it is warranted. Even if guilty I think the club / scg are still going about things the wrong way, if not then of course totally out of order.
Firstly: guilty of what exactly? I mean no actual specific allegations have been made.
Secondly: I agree. If only we had some form of representative group that could put this across to the club. Some kind of fans group. Fancy setting up the SBT Trust? Would make the meeting minutes far harder to understand if nothing else.
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