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Grendel

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #316
Covkid53 - nice

DrunkenWasps.com - Sisu not giving up legals
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #317
duffer said:
So, it's a complaint direct to the European Commission about whether the council acted against EU law. This isn't a court case, so no further legal costs to any party. Reading the blurb on the EC site, there's no way to claim damages other than via national courts, and as it stands that route has been exhausted.

The risk here would seem to be to the Council directly, being exposed as failing to follow EU law. Maybe if the Commission found that true, SISU could start another case in the courts for damages against CCC but that seems a very long way away, and with an even slimmer chance of Wasps being directly impacted.

I have serious doubts that it'll get anywhere, given the scrutiny it's already had from the courts here...
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The route in national courts hasn't been exhausted - there is still the potential for civil action against Wasps or the Council (or even Higgs Trust), but that would only have a reasonable prospect of success (in my view) if the EU Commission found that they had acted illegally under EU law.

But i agree, Duffer, that it might not progress if the EC's preliminary investigation deems that the UK High Court and Supreme Court rulings have addressed relevant matters of EU law. But would SISU then appeal *that decision* to the Court of Justice for the EU (they can't appeal the original JR decision to the CJEU because UKSC refused them leave to appeal the case to them)?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #318
So as it stands there is no actual reason why negotiations can't continue or am I missing something?

How can somebody in Brussels stop us playing football in a stadium in Coventry?
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #319
chiefdave said:
I'm going to hazard a guess that SISU take their legal advise from lawyers and legal experts rather than football fans :woot:
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I'm not suggesting otherwise. However, the expectation levels given by said lawyers are likely to be misleading do you not think? As with any form of consultancy, legal advise is a results business and if you're not getting the results yet still remaining to provide regular council then surely SISU are being fed the dream. SISU may consider their case to be completely airtight but that confidence will be drip-fed from somewhere.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #320
All we know (only based on rumours) at the moment is that this is a non legal investigation undertaken by a European body, not sisu, that started in February.

If the talks break down because of this London Wasps deserve all they get.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #321
Grendel said:
Covkid53 - nice

DrunkenWasps.com - Sisu not giving up legals
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He's right on his first point! Calls himself a Cov Kid? Don't think so! He's an insect larva!
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #322
Stuff like that is one of the reasons I'm glad I'm not in the city. I don't think I'd be able to stop myself having a go at the franchise supporting cunts when they pipe up.
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #323
Liquid Gold said:
All we know (only based on rumours) at the moment is that this is a non legal investigation undertaken by a European body, not sisu, that started in February.

If the talks break down because of this London Wasps deserve all they get.
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Why did they decide to investigate?
 

torchomatic

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #324
Yes, even here in Warwick we get people walking around in Wasps tops. I have to bite my tongue.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #325
Liquid Gold said:
Stuff like that is one of the reasons I'm glad I'm not in the city. I don't think I'd be able to stop myself having a go at the franchise supporting cunts when they pipe up.
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Rarely see wasps supporters in Coventry, see 1 or 2 twats walk around with a wasps cap or a wasps t shirt but it's extremely rare, at least over tile Hill Canley way.
On visits to the city centre I rarely if ever see anything wasps related
 

Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #326
Let's be honest we shouldn't be here talking about this.
We should be talking about next season and season ticket sales etc.

The whole thing is fucking boring, it shouldn't be happening
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #327
I was eleven in 87 said:
Why did they decide to investigate?
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Because of a complaint by sisu. One undertaken in February and as such should have been a barrier to talks beginning if they were an issue so in no way a credible reason for talks breaking down. Red herring.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #328
I was eleven in 87 said:
Why did they decide to investigate?
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There is nothing to suggest that they are, currently. But it is alleged by Giblet that SISU have complained to the EC about the actions of the Council being contrary to EU law on public support of commercial organisations.
 

covcity4life

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #329
Evo1883 said:
Rarely see wasps supporters in Coventry, see 1 or 2 twats walk around with a wasps cap or a wasps t shirt but it's extremely rare, at least over tile Hill Canley way.
On visits to the city centre I rarely if ever see anything wasps related
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yup. only time i see them is when wasps game on around holbrooks

i do feel like winding down window and calling them traitors.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #330
covcity4life said:
yup. only time i see them is when wasps game on around holbrooks

i do feel like winding down window and calling them traitors.
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They have no morals, quite simple really
 
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MatthewWallis

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #331
Evo1883 said:
Rarely see wasps supporters in Coventry, see 1 or 2 twats walk around with a wasps cap or a wasps t shirt but it's extremely rare, at least over tile Hill Canley way.
On visits to the city centre I rarely if ever see anything wasps related
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See the tramps all the time. I was out for a meal the other week and table of 4 of them sat down on the table next to me with their Wasps coats and scarves
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #332
Liquid Gold said:
Because of a complaint by sisu. One undertaken in February and as such should have been a barrier to talks beginning if they were an issue so in no way a credible reason for talks breaking down. Red herring.
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You’re right, as long as they knew about it prior to the talks beginning and were prepared to go ahead with the talks anyway.
Could Wasps, as part of their negotiations have tried to get SISU to drop that complaint and failed hence the impasse now?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #333
MatthewWallis said:
See the tramps all the time. I was out for a meal the other week and table of 4 of them sat down on the table next to me with their Wasps coats and scarves
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I'd imagine there would be a few in middle class areas like finham etc.
Rugby is a middle class sport in England really
 

Warwickhunt

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #334
The complaint was made in February! So why has Gilbert taken until now to leak it on Twitter? (This guy has an Axe to grind with the clubs owners) This is engineered to Alianate the public against SISU-CCFC!. By the reaction of some fans on here it seems to be working, I was in the Pub last night and listening to punters having a right old rage at SISU about it and I explained that its not the European Court of Justice they said that Gilbert didnt say that on his Twitter! I said "My point exactly the Guy is a shit stirrer of the highest order" he is working on the fact that he sees most of his followers as morons and will not know the difference. Does anyone know how to investigate the European Commision site to find its source etc! Wonder if Reid is looking into it for the Coventry Observer
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #335
Cheers for leaking this Gilbert, really have helped the situation m8
 

Warwickhunt

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #336
Get everyone to unfollow Gilbert on Twitter that will fuck his Street Cred up!
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #337
To be honest journos are scutters, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from them
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #338
Liquid Gold said:
Stuff like that is one of the reasons I'm glad I'm not in the city. I don't think I'd be able to stop myself having a go at the franchise supporting cunts when they pipe up.
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Luckily if you live in Coventry you never see them!
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #339
I was eleven in 87 said:
You’re right, as long as they knew about it prior to the talks beginning and were prepared to go ahead with the talks anyway.
Could Wasps, as part of their negotiations have tried to get SISU to drop that complaint and failed hence the impasse now?
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IS it even possible for them to stop an investigation?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #340
chiefdave said:
Luckily if you live in Coventry you never see them!
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Think a lot of people that watch them are from Birmingham or Warwickshire surrounding areas plus their hardcore London based fans, can't imagine they get much more than 2-3000 a week actually from Coventry
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #341
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Cheers for leaking this Gilbert, really have helped the situation m8
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We could do with knowing exactly when he first became aware of it though do you think?
I can’t believe he would have known about it ages ago as he would not have been able to resist some ‘breaking news’ and told the story.
Could be wrong though.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #342
Warwickhunt said:
The complaint was made in February! So why has Gilbert taken until now to leak it on Twitter? (This guy has an Axe to grind with the clubs owners) This is engineered to Alianate the public against SISU-CCFC!. By the reaction of some fans on here it seems to be working, I was in the Pub last night and listening to punters having a right old rage at SISU about it and I explained that its not the European Court of Justice they said that Gilbert didnt say that on his Twitter! I said "My point exactly the Guy is a shit stirrer of the highest order" he is working on the fact that he sees most of his followers as morons and will not know the difference. Does anyone know how to investigate the European Commision site to find its source etc! Wonder if Reid is looking into it for the Coventry Observer
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He seems quite quiet these days! Maybe he doesn't want to get embroiled and is respecting the NDAs quoted?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #343
I was eleven in 87 said:
We could do with knowing exactly when he first became aware of it though do you think?
I can’t believe he would have known about it ages ago as he would not have been able to resist some ‘breaking news’ and told the story.
Could be wrong though.
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If it was in Feb why the hell would he leak it while both parties are in negotiations
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #344
Liquid Gold said:
IS it even possible for them to stop an investigation?
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I don’t know really as I don’t know how the commission works?
I mean if someone made a complaint to the Police and then the victim withdrew the complaint, the Police would normally stop investigating. (Depending on the seriousness of the crime).
 

duffer

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #345
torchomatic said:
They said drop legal action and then they would negotiate. This isn't legal action. Who leaked it?
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Who benefits? It's hard to see it as being in SISU's interests, mid-negotiation.

The only other party who should have been aware of it would be the Council, after being asked by the EC for a response.

So either SISU leaked it, to scupper the talks for reasons unknown, or someone at the Council leaked it, in order to alert Wasps and encourage them to pressure SISU to drop it.

I know which one of those looks more likely to me... If so, would that not represent a failure in a duty of confidentiality from a Council officer or representative? Hmm.

In public life, sometimes it's the cover-up that gets you, rather than the infraction!
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #346
Grendel said:
DrunkenWasps.com - Sisu not giving up legals
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For a club that now claims to have been nomadic and close to going out of business without their own stadium the way their fans relish the problems facing the football club says a lot about rugby supporters.

Even our biggest rivals, well apart from Sunderland with their made up rivalry, don't want to see the club forced out of the city or cease to exist but this lot can't wait and are encouraging Wasps to stick the knife in.
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #347
I was eleven in 87 said:
We could do with knowing exactly when he first became aware of it though do you think?
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When the council & Wasps told him.
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #348
chiefdave said:
When the council & Wasps told him.
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Maybe they did tell him, but I still want to know when they told him.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #349
I was eleven in 87 said:
Maybe they did tell him, but I still want to know when they told him.
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Well the council would have told the franchise when they were first notified.
No need to talk about while talks were ongoing.
Talks stall and they need some PR spin.
They both reveal this to various people who then pass it on to Gilbert.

It's clear as day who is trying to play us here.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #350
Why aren't any party releasing a statement about whats going on
 
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