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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #36
Nick said:
Sure, first one is free!

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Expected you to look different
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #37
If I had a business that had to move because of a falling out with the owners of the property was in (not going into blame) and had to move, I would have tried my best to persuade loyal customers (which I don't think SISU did), consult them or try my very best (which I don't think they did either) to make the move a bit better and facilitate. It depends what my store was selling, I would try and offer free delivery if possible over the phone or internet or even drop them off myself / hire a delivery man. I would start advertising where I moved to to try and get new customers through the doors as well as keeping in contact with the old customers as much as possible (they are loyal, they need looking after, If the situation really is the only option then I would have to make the best out of a bad situation until I can find another shop to rent).

I probably wouldn't have bought the business in the first place though in all honesty.
 

Nick

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #38
Moff said:
I didnt imagine you wore glasses Nick
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Contacts now
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #39
ITT people argue all protest is pointless unless a guaranteed outcome is known beforehand. Seriously.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #40
shmmeee said:
ITT people argue all protest is pointless unless a guaranteed outcome is known beforehand. Seriously.
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I am not saying knowing 100%, but believing / being convinced it will.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #41
Nick said:
I am not saying knowing 100%, but believing / being convinced it will.
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What's the difference between knowing and being convinced?
 
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shy_tall_knight

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #42
Next season will see more effective protest as city fans vote with their feet. The Waggott squad building strategy - unheard of players coming in and going soon after, loan players coming in and soon leaving or returning to their club to play or just sit in the reserves in Swansea, will leave us struggling in a souless arena. The crowds I expect to dip below the current 1,300 home fans.
 

Nick

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #43
shmmeee said:
What's the difference between knowing and being convinced?
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I guess knowing would being 100%, I think if it was 100% that if nobody went to Sixfields we would move back, most wouldn't go (I wouldn't say all) but I certainly wouldn't.

Being convinced would make me now think "Actually, if I didn't go I think it might get us back quicker".
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #44
Nick said:
I guess knowing would being 100%, I think if it was 100% that if nobody went to Sixfields we would move back, most wouldn't go (I wouldn't say all) but I certainly wouldn't.

Being convinced would make me now think "Actually, if I didn't go I think it might get us back quicker".
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Sorry still not seeing the difference. You don't know​ anything 100%, it's all a judgement made on the evidence you see.
 

Norman Binns

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #45
Nick said:
If I had a business that had to move because of a falling out with the owners of the property was in (not going into blame) and had to move, I would have tried my best to persuade loyal customers (which I don't think SISU did), consult them or try my very best (which I don't think they did either) to make the move a bit better and facilitate. It depends what my store was selling, I would try and offer free delivery if possible over the phone or internet or even drop them off myself / hire a delivery man. I would start advertising where I moved to to try and get new customers through the doors as well as keeping in contact with the old customers as much as possible (they are loyal, they need looking after, If the situation really is the only option then I would have to make the best out of a bad situation until I can find another shop to rent).

I probably wouldn't have bought the business in the first place though in all honesty.
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WTF? I didn’t think I’d get a straight answer to the question, just like a politician.

To convince you, you asked if someone could explain to you why boycotting games would help CCFC in the long run and I gave you my explanation. All this blurb you’ve come out with wasn’t asked for and has no relevance or bearing on the theme of this thread and in particular the explanation I gave to you as to why complete non-attendance at Sixfields may be the most powerful form of protest and perhaps the only way to influence a return to Coventry.

So, without all the BS Nick, is my explanation enough to convince you? If not why not?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #46
Norman Binns said:
WTF? I didn’t think I’d get a straight answer to the question, just like a politician.

To convince you, you asked if someone could explain to you why boycotting games would help CCFC in the long run and I gave you my explanation. All this blurb you’ve come out with wasn’t asked for and has no relevance or bearing on the theme of this thread and in particular the explanation I gave to you as to why complete non-attendance at Sixfields may be the most powerful form of protest and perhaps the only way to influence a return to Coventry.

So, without all the BS Nick, is my explanation enough to convince you? If not why not?
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You asked me about my business and what I would do. I gave you an answer.

No, what you have said isn't enough to convince me as it would be too easy and I don't think anything with SISU will ever be that simple. We have no idea what is going on in their head.
 

Norman Binns

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #47
Nick said:
You asked me about my business and what I would do. I gave you an answer.

No, what you have said isn't enough to convince me as it would be too easy and I don't think anything with SISU will ever be that simple. We have no idea what is going on in their head.
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So lets get this right. Are you suggesting that SISU would continue to play games at Sixfields if not a single Coventry supporter went through the turnstiles ever? No home fans at all? Seriously?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #48
Norman Binns said:
So lets get this right. Are you suggesting that SISU would continue to play games at Sixfields if not a single Coventry supporter went through the turnstiles ever? No home fans at all? Seriously?
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Or they could just pull the plug?

I doubt the ticket income from the 1500 or so fans is even paying 2 or 3 of the players anyway is it?
 
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Monners

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #49
Nick said:
You asked me about my business and what I would do. I gave you an answer.

No, what you have said isn't enough to convince me as it would be too easy and I don't think anything with SISU will ever be that simple. We have no idea what is going on in their head.
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Surely any form of protest isn't just against Sisu, but pressuring all parties. FL/FA for instance - surely it causes some emabarressment to them, and most protests have had media interest to varying degrees.

The sector that I work in (environmental) is an prime example of where lobbying and chipping away at issues gains results - not always, and not always exactly what you want, but that how it works, including influencing Govt policy. I really don't understand the "what's the point, it will never work" attitude. Rather die trying than die wondering
 

Norman Binns

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #50
Nick said:
Or they could just pull the plug?

I doubt the ticket income from the 1500 or so fans is even paying 2 or 3 of the players anyway is it?
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F*** me have you got some sort of mental impediment? Just answer a simple f***ing question will you?

I'm not wasting any more of my time on this you just carry on.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #51
My analogy on this is akin to the Titanic. The crew(CCFC fans who want to try anything to help) are trying their level best to bale water, break out the lifeboats, while the passengers(Nick, RFC, AndreasB, Torchy, Grenduffy, etc,etc, Because they have paid good money for the cruise ie:- pay to go to Sixfields) Sit and watch the orchestra play while the ship sinks. FFS at least try and do something.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #52
Norman Binns said:
Fuck me have you got some sort of mental impediment? Just answer a simple fucking question will you?
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I don't know if they would continue to play there or not but like I said, I also don't think it is that simple. Would they then crawl back to ACL or would they think "fuck this" and just bin us completely?

It isn't as simple as assuming "lets not everybody go and they HAVE to go back to ACL". There are probably other options / plans that they are thinking that we have no idea about.

Would going cap in hand be the only option?

You have said "If nobody goes then we won't play at Sixfields", you haven't said what the options are. It is the same as saying "let's get rid of SISU" but then not suggesting who will run us then?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #53
Sky Blue Kid said:
My analogy on this is akin to the Titanic. The crew(CCFC fans who want to try anything to help) are trying their level best to bale water, break out the lifeboats, while the passengers(Nick, RFC, AndreasB, Torchy, Grenduffy, etc,etc, Because they have paid good money for the cruise ie:- pay to go to Sixfields) Sit and watch the orchestra play while the ship sinks. FFS at least try and do something.
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Who would have died happiest? They did all die didn't they? Why not go out happily?
 
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Monners

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #54
Nick said:
Who would have died happiest? They did all die didn't they?
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No they didn't all die. Some heroic stories from the reports at the time. Get to the museum in Southampton and have a look, it also details how the sinking deeply affected the local community.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #55
@ Nick....Are you for real or what?....You really do need educating don't you!
 
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skybluesam66

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #56
and we used to have fight

remember the saying "if the titanic was sky blue"
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #57
Monners said:
No they didn't all die. Some heroic stories from the reports at the time. Get to the museum in Southamoton and have a look, it also details how the sinking deeply affected the local community.
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In which case, I am wrong and yes the people watching the orchestra were in the wrong (unless they were among the survivors).

Sorry!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #58
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Nick....Are you for real or what?....You really do need educating don't you!
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As above, my apologies for being wrong!
 
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_brian_

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #59
skybluesam66 said:
and we used to have fight

remember the saying "if the titanic was sky blue"
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If the Titanic was painted Sky Blue it would be harboured in Northampton*!!! LOL! LOVE IT!!!

(*Disclaimer: This is only a joke and I in no way condone the actions of Sisu that have meant CCFC now plays its 'home' games at Sixfields**.)

(**In Northampton.)
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #60
Nick said:
In which case, I am wrong and yes the people watching the orchestra were in the wrong (unless they were among the survivors).

Sorry!
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No the Conductor was wrong for insisting on performing while his players would perish,the audience well they were just lovers of Culture.:thinking about:
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #61
Nick said:
I am not saying knowing 100%, but believing / being convinced it will.
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That's a cop out. As a single movement protesting inside is only ever going to be 50/50. The only 100% tou have is that if you don't try you'll 100% never know. But here's the thing. A protest inside sixfields would not be a single movement, it would be part of a bigger picture. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #62
_brian_ said:
If the Titanic was painted Sky Blue it would be harboured in Northampton*!!! LOL! LOVE IT!!!

(*Disclaimer: This is only a joke and I in no way condone the actions of Sisu that have meant CCFC now plays its 'home' games at Sixfields**.)

(**In Northampton.)
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But Brian! Northampton is landlocked! DOH!
 
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Buster

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #63
Nick said:
If I had a business that had to move because of a falling out with the owners of the property was in (not going into blame) and had to move, I would have tried my best to persuade loyal customers (which I don't think SISU did), consult them or try my very best (which I don't think they did either) to make the move a bit better and facilitate. It depends what my store was selling, I would try and offer free delivery if possible over the phone or internet or even drop them off myself / hire a delivery man. I would start advertising where I moved to to try and get new customers through the doors as well as keeping in contact with the old customers as much as possible (they are loyal, they need looking after, If the situation really is the only option then I would have to make the best out of a bad situation until I can find another shop to rent).

I probably wouldn't have bought the business in the first place though in all honesty.
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You could ,Buy the business ,knowing your landlord needs the rent ,stop paying the rent ,relocate to the outskirts,wait til your landlord gets into financial dificulties and buy the building on the cheap.
No second thoughts thats too underhand. You would never get away with it!
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #64
Sky Blue Kid said:
My analogy on this is akin to the Titanic. The crew(CCFC fans who want to try anything to help) are trying their level best to bale water, break out the lifeboats, while the passengers(Nick, RFC, AndreasB, Torchy, Grenduffy, etc,etc, Because they have paid good money for the cruise ie:- pay to go to Sixfields) Sit and watch the orchestra play while the ship sinks. FFS at least try and do something.
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CCC the iceberg?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #65
Does anyone else read Nicks posts in the manner of Neil from The Inbetweeners?

No offence meant Nick, I love Neil.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #66
lordsummerisle said:
CCC the iceberg?
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Apathy is the more likely candidate.
 
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Cheshire Sky Blue

New Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #67
Nick said:
As above, my apologies for being wrong!
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Nick. I can understand that if you do not believe in something it is very hard to get motivated towards it. There is a subtle difference in the nature of protesting against a felt wrong and the belief we as individuals can change anything for the better.

If we feel something is wrong and we ignore it, by definition we condone it. If we signal we feel it is wrong, we may not change it, but we do register that a boundary has been crossed. I won't and will never go to Sixfields (I am now doubting if I will even return to the RICOH whilst SISU are in charge) but I will accept and respect the decision made by those that do. What concerns me is the perceived unwillingness by those that do go, to signal that SISU have crossed the boundary. I would (and I suspect that many who contribute to this site) feel a lot more empathy with the Sixfields attendees if they would just send that signal that they too feel that the boundary between right and wrong has been breached.
Will it change the destiny of this saga? Who knows, but one thing I am certain of, doing nothing will only protract the issue.

Here's my suggestion to the Sixfields attendees. Gather together and protest with the Why & When posters. You don't have to be anti SISU, ACL or CCC, just pro the family of Sky blues fans. Small gestures influence the way people think and react. Will it be enough? No, but it would add weight to the argument.
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #68
shmmeee said:
But Brian! Northampton is landlocked! DOH!
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It is, but you can get te coast via the Grand Union canal and the River Nene navigation - or am I taking this too literally :thinking about:
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #69
Monners said:
It is, but you can get te coast via the Grand Union canal and the River Nene navigation - or am I taking this too literally :thinking about:
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You can never take _brian_'s posts too literally IMO
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2014
  • #70
Nick said:
Feel free to punch me if you want. Side of the head? What will that achieve?

I am also against the move to Sixfields, but I am also being realistic. It isn't pouring of cold water is it? It is just facing the facts that sadly there is nothing we can do. Still, nobody has tried to convince why people shouldn't go and what it would change, other than what they think?

It depends on returning to the high street I guess, if there is only the option of one premise and the owners had been overcharging me then it would put me in a rock and hard place. If there were plenty of stores and owners for me to choose from it would be a lot easier, wouldn't it?
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yes it is nit picking and fence sitting get off your rear end and at least have a go at joining in
 
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