The money in the premier league (1 Viewer)

skybluesam98 · Apr 21, 2015

West Ham have just announced they are going to be cutting their season ticket prices for the 2016-17 season in response to the latest TV deals, with the cheapest adult season ticket being £289 which works out at £15.20 per game...

Makes you think we pay £22 a game to watch piss poor league 1 football...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32399291

Nick · Apr 21, 2015

You aren't comparing their cheapest season ticket with our expensive match day ticket though are you?

skybluesam98 · Apr 21, 2015

Still...our cheapest adult season ticket was £225 and that was already after 4 home games had been played...

Nick · Apr 21, 2015

It was £180 wasn't it for our cheapest?

Compare them like for like. Their cheapest and our cheapest.

May as well start quoting prices for corporate boxes to prove a point.

Saying that, £289 is a great price for a Premier League Season Ticket!

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 21, 2015

Our cheapest works out about £12 a game I think

SkyBlueScottie · Apr 22, 2015

You have your figures wrong, no way does our season ticket come to £22 per game. That's over £500 per season ticket.... Why have you gone out the way to to try and criticise your club, and then used false figures?

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

What happens if they get relegated next year?

MichaelCCFC · Apr 22, 2015

Unless I'm getting completely the wrong end of the stick isn't the West Ham price cut a good thing?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 22, 2015

MichaelCCFC said:
Unless I'm getting completely the wrong end of the stick isn't the West Ham price cut a good thing?

Yep, hopefully more teams will follow there lead. I suspect the price drop is largely driven by the need to fill 20,000 more seats at the Olympic Stadium though.

skybluesam66 · Apr 22, 2015

Our big issue is the walk up price - £22 on a winters day is not going to tempt somebody to go to the match (unless we are really challenging)

the walk up price needs to be nearer £15 (with £10 and £5 offers now and again) and therefore season tickets nearer £13 per game less an allowance for discounts on match tickets (£249 total)

I know you can buy the 6 or 12 match packages that bring the cost down to similar levels, but most will not think like this

I know its about revenue - but doing the above, and backing TM will work
and for Sisu supporters who challenge it, it will still generate far more revenue than we would have if we were still at northampton - even under sisu;s best predictions

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

We all know football is an expensive day out and that tickets should be cheaper but is there not a potential banana skin here?

The PL teams can use their TV money to reduce prices but won't that impact on the lower leagues? If you can get a PL ticket for £20 more people will view our prices as excessive. Of course if the lower league teams, who don't have that big pot of TV money, have to put their prices down that's a huge chunk of their revenue gone.

Unless players wages drop in line with that I can see a problem looming.

skybluesam66 · Apr 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
We all know football is an expensive day out and that tickets should be cheaper but is there not a potential banana skin here?

The PL teams can use their TV money to reduce prices but won't that impact on the lower leagues? If you can get a PL ticket for £20 more people will view our prices as excessive. Of course if the lower league teams, who don't have that big pot of TV money, have to put their prices down that's a huge chunk of their revenue gone.

Unless players wages drop in line with that I can see a problem looming.

so you have to develop that club loyalty on a local level - it is the only way - and by pricing fans out will not achieve that -

M&B Stand · Apr 22, 2015

CCFC said:
Yep, hopefully more teams will follow there lead. I suspect the price drop is largely driven by the need to fill 20,000 more seats at the Olympic Stadium though.

We've got 20,000 empty seats, I've said before our cheapest season ticket should be £150.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

skybluesam66 said:
Our big issue is the walk up price - £22 on a winters day is not going to tempt somebody to go to the match (unless we are really challenging)

the walk up price needs to be nearer £15 (with £10 and £5 offers now and again) and therefore season tickets nearer £13 per game less an allowance for discounts on match tickets (£249 total)

I know you can buy the 6 or 12 match packages that bring the cost down to similar levels, but most will not think like this

I know its about revenue - but doing the above, and backing TM will work
and for Sisu supporters who challenge it, it will still generate far more revenue than we would have if we were still at northampton - even under sisu;s best predictions

Again, quoting the most expensive ticket?

The issue is with football as a whole, not just the club trying to rip fans off with ticket prices.

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2015

M&B Stand said:
We've got 20,000 empty seats, I've said before our cheapest season ticket should be £150.

There's definitely an argument that if you've got 20K empty seats you're charging too much. The problem is dropping the prices doesn't seem to ever cause a decent increase in attendance, certainly not enough to offset the lost revenue. And of course we're in a position where if there's twice as many people in the stadium spending we aren't getting the full benefit of that.

Lets say it's an average of £20 a ticket to get 10K in. If you drop it to £10 a ticket you've got to get 20K in or you're losing money. There's not really an easy answer to this one I don't think, especially as we are so reliant on ticket revenue.

kg82 · Apr 22, 2015

M&B Stand said:
We've got 20,000 empty seats, I've said before our cheapest season ticket should be £150.

How many teams in the football league have a season ticket that cheap? Footballs expensive, I get that. But I don't get your thinking behind that? Is it just because it's your club and the cheaper the better for you?

Ian1779 · Apr 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
There's definitely an argument that if you've got 20K empty seats you're charging too much. The problem is dropping the prices doesn't seem to ever cause a decent increase in attendance, certainly not enough to offset the lost revenue. And of course we're in a position where if there's twice as many people in the stadium spending we aren't getting the full benefit of that.

Lets say it's an average of £20 a ticket to get 10K in. If you drop it to £10 a ticket you've got to get 20K in or you're losing money. There's not really an easy answer to this one I don't think, especially as we are so reliant on ticket revenue.

Long before we knew the details of the previous rent and revenue deals, I could never understand why the club didn't just drop ticket prices to get more bums on seats and make money from other revenue.

Now we are all aware of why this would not benefit our club financially. It highlights how much we need our own stadium (irrespective of the argument of how to pay for it)

Such is the vast amount generated by the TV deal in the PL.. West Ham could probably afford to offer season tickets at £50 and match day tickets at £5 and still make more money in TV revenue to cover the loss. Promotion to the top tier will become a closed shop eventually if this carries on... the financial power of the team yo-yoing between PL and Champ will be so vast that it will be very difficult to break.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

kg82 said:
How many teams in the football league have a season ticket that cheap? Footballs expensive, I get that. But I don't get your thinking behind that? Is it just because it's your club and the cheaper the better for you?

That's what I mean, I can understand ideally football as a whole should be cheaper for the fans. It isn't that we are the highest priced and trying to rip fans off. Weren't we among the cheapest?

Ashdown · Apr 22, 2015

M&B Stand said:
We've got 20,000 empty seats, I've said before our cheapest season ticket should be £150.

Great gesture by West Ham and why not sell at £150 a pop at this shitty level, it's a valid point. I'm sure Bradford used to do something along these lines and sold about 10,000 on this basis.

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
We all know football is an expensive day out and that tickets should be cheaper but is there not a potential banana skin here?

The PL teams can use their TV money to reduce prices but won't that impact on the lower leagues? If you can get a PL ticket for £20 more people will view our prices as excessive. Of course if the lower league teams, who don't have that big pot of TV money, have to put their prices down that's a huge chunk of their revenue gone.

Unless players wages drop in line with that I can see a problem looming.

Surely if you put your prices down you will sell more.
The trick is getting the balance right.

Potentially if they half the price of our season tickets and then sell 3 times as many it improves revenues and ups the crowds.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

Do you think if the prices halved we would sell 3 times as much though?

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

Ashdown said:
Great gesture by West Ham and why not sell at £150 a pop at this shitty level, it's a valid point. I'm sure Bradford used to do something along these lines and sold about 10,000 on this basis.

I think they were £199 weren't they? Still a good price.

italiahorse · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
Do you think if the prices halved we would sell 3 times as much though?

Probably not, but you know what I mean.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Probably not, but you know what I mean.

If the prices are halved, you have to sell twice as many to make as much money.

I think the main seller is in having the interest free payment plan, the way Bradford seem to do it is that payment is taken each month and that month's tickets are posted out.

I don't think you would need any sort of credit agreement to do it that way would you?
?

Ian1779 · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
If the prices are halved, you have to sell twice as many to make as much money.

I think the main seller is in having the interest free payment plan, the way Bradford seem to do it is that payment is taken each month and that month's tickets are posted out.

I don't think you would need any sort of credit agreement to do it that way would you?
?

This is what we need to be doing.

Nick · Apr 22, 2015

Ian1779 said:
This is what we need to be doing.

Just made a thread about that.

kg82 · Apr 22, 2015

Nick said:
That's what I mean, I can understand ideally football as a whole should be cheaper for the fans. It isn't that we are the highest priced and trying to rip fans off. Weren't we among the cheapest?

As far as I can tell Charlton sell their cheapest for about £150. The next cheapest are teams like Fleetwood and Dagenham for between £180 and £200. I think you've got to put it in perspective that Fleetwood are selling their cheapest season tickets for £180.

stupot07 · Apr 22, 2015

italiahorse said:
Surely if you put your prices down you will sell more.
The trick is getting the balance right.

Potentially if they half the price of our season tickets and then sell 3 times as many it improves revenues and ups the crowds.

the gillingham game aside, the discounted matches this season have disproved that myth.

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Esoterica · Apr 22, 2015

stupot07 said:
the gillingham game aside, the discounted matches this season have disproved that myth.

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Well then we are truly fucked as a club. Never been further away from owning our ground, fans who are now so entrenched that they won't buy season tickets or attend matches until they see some success first, owners who don't give seem to give two shiney shites about the club

covcity4life · Apr 22, 2015

toclet discounts when club is fighting relegation is hardly disproving anything

cheap tickets from get go of a new season with mowbray as manager and a different squad would definetly seen an upturn in attendences and hopefully atmosphere

tisza · Apr 22, 2015

maybe i'm just too cynical but maybe it has more to do with having to fill another 20000 seats when they move to the Olympic stadium that season especially seeing as they are still putting up season ticket prices for next season.

M&B Stand · Apr 22, 2015

kg82 said:
How many teams in the football league have a season ticket that cheap? Footballs expensive, I get that. But I don't get your thinking behind that? Is it just because it's your club and the cheaper the better for you?

Dunno, I've not checked. How many teams at this level have as many empty seats as we do week in week out? If people wanna go but can't afford it, there's enough scope for cheaper tickets when you've got a big empty ground.
Price isn't my personal issue, but it will be for some.
As for saying we'll lose out financially as we won't sell enough to offset the cheaper price. We don't know that, if Mowbray stays and we look like we're interested in having a go, who knows?
If you don't think we would sell enough and its purely about guaranteed incomes, you may as well stick the prices up, the diehards will still pay it.

Skyblueweeman · Apr 22, 2015

To be honest, I was tempted by a tenner for this weekends game. Would I pay £20-£25? If I lived locally maybe but once I factor in petrol from down South, it's too much.

I've therefore sacked off wedding planning this Saturday and picking up the mother who now wants to attend and we're taking advantage of the tickets for a tenner.

covcity4life · Apr 22, 2015

majority agree weeman

pusbccfc · Apr 22, 2015

West Ham will sell out. The catchment area in London is huge and they will get a ton of tourists.

So many London tourists spend hundreds on tickets for Chelsea, Arsenal etc.

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