Backroom is so right. All the pathetic excuses just keep getting rolled out and of course the future of the club is so important to them they come out with the sarcasm, put downs and taking the mick. How the club do, nothing to do with them, (even though they have the nerve to call themselves SkyBlue this and that). It is all someone else's fault. Some directors, players, boards, nothing to do with them not turning up. Oh no, not me mate. It isn't a priority, the league (as if they turn much for that anyway) is more important. Or I'll come back when they're in top six, when SISU go, the pies get better, the bloke they don't like behind them shuts up. They'll probably moan about the JPT prices next. The truth is a club is only as good as the supporters. We have a club who have useless non attending 'fans.' They don't see the connection between them not attending and a failing club. Beggars belief. You're just crap supporters and you know who you are.[/QUOTE
I ll take being a crap supporter with the comfort of knowing I have my priorities right
Macca, ditto for you. Rest my case.
Unfortunately Coundon, we were being well supported against a backdrop of having big debts and no money. Last season we might have had the 15th best supported team but we also have a bottom 3 wage bill.
This season, you're budget might be one of the biggest but that is counterbalanced by the fact we're paying championship wages to a lot of players who aren't good enough/have enough fight to get us out of this league as well as Thorn wasting a lot of money on the wrong types of players.
I agree, but that's not the fans fault is it? Its the club/owners fault.
The Club has no right to the current level of support it currently enjoys. On the pitch there is nothing more than a average league 1 team, average league 1 crowds are about 5k. The fact we are getting twice that amount should be commended.
It's all relative though and when you compare to other teams with a similar history to ours and catchment area(300k+ in Cov, 500k+ in warwickshire), it's very poor.
To be fair to Tranmere, they live in the shadows of the likes of Liverpool, Everton and to some extent, Man Utd & Man City. That area has a big football following so majority of fans will support a bigger local club. So actually, I respect Tranmere fans for sticking with their smaller club.
Similar history? What other club has gone 40+ years without a good league season?
Who are you comparing us too? We are a league 1 club, therefore if your being relative you compare us to other league 1 teams.
Also how does the % of catchment area who attend games affect how much money is coming in? The only thing that counts is the actual number of paying supporters.
Tranmere are top of the league, yet we average 4200 more fans than them a game. Based on a ticket price of £15, thats £1.45m extra income per annum.
I don't think necessarily big crowds but viable crowds. crowds that would enable the club to break even.
You could argue that if we actually paid our rent that extra income would go straight input on rent.
I was actually comparing us to
Sheffield united c18k
Sheffield Wednesday c21k
Charlton 17.5k
Southampon c21-22k even in the fist season when they struggled but won the JPT
Norwich 24.5k
Leeds 24.8k
Leicester 20k - admittedly Leeds are a far bigger club than us
Forest 20-28k
Swansea 13.5k
Even Portsmouth are averaging an extra 2k more than us. Huddlesfield averaged 14-16k for the last 4-5 seasons in league one , Bradford averged nearly 12k a couple of season ago in league two
people on here shouldnt be so moralistic.
Coundonskyblue... I completely disagree with your "40+ years without league success". Every season spent in the top flight without relegation was a good season compared to what we now have. We achieved so much in that time, claimed the biggest of scalps, saw some of the best players in the world and had some of the best players in the country wear our shirt. Admittedly I've only been going since the early 90's but, barring the season we wen't down, every one of those seasons I had the privilidge of being a season ticket holder for was "good"... in fact more than good... it was immense. A fantastic time to grow up as a Coventry fan.
Well... That's your quote of the day!!
I don't begrudge anybody for feeling hard done by and chosing not to attend at all... that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was simply saying, without that, it makes it harder to do anything.
But all those other teams are not in our division at the moment. We are not competing against those teams. If we had gone down into this division in 2008 instead of Leicester then whos to say we wouldn't have got high crowds then?
That wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the OP & Snoz.
I also agree that if we had 20k up there it probably would be easier to do well, but we still have a large support for our position yet that is dismissed on here.
I think the reason that this is dimissed is bicause our overheads are bigger than most teams in our postion.
I'm sorry but from a fans point of view just staying up is never a good season. My first ever game watching City was a 4-1 loss to Crystal Palace, are you saying because that was a Premier League game I should have been grateful for that? Losing games in the Premiership hurt just as much (actually, probably more as I'm numb to it now) as it does in league 1.
I'm sorry but from a fans point of view just staying up is never a good season. My first ever game watching City was a 4-1 loss to Crystal Palace, are you saying because that was a Premier League game I should have been grateful for that? Losing games in the Premiership hurt just as much (actually, probably more as I'm numb to it now) as it does in league 1.
I don't deny that at all. Our overheads probably do cancel out the extra income we receive. But the fact that successive owners have screwed up our finances is not going to bring in extra fans.
But survival is the primary aim for all bar 5-6 clubs in PL every season.
[/b]Do you not think after being there so long our aim should have been a bit higher?[/b]
First few years just staying up is fine, but after that the club should have pushed on.
I think it was the 3rd season after promotion in the late sixties that City got into europe. That should have been the catalyst to push on, but bad decisions must have been made at the club which resulted in a long drawn out decline which is still happening now.
Do you not think after being there so long our aim should have been a bit higher?
First few years just staying up is fine, but after that the club should have pushed on.
I think it was the 3rd season after promotion in the late sixties that City got into europe. That should have been the catalyst to push on, but bad decisions must have been made at the club which resulted in a long drawn out decline which is still happening now.
We did, and Richardson took a 'punt' which is why we're in this mess
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