The minutes from the Supporters Consultative Group meeting on December 4th

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  1. Rusty Trombone

    Rusty Trombone Well-Known Member

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    The council owe CCFC?

     
  3. Astute

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    The questions start getting a bit difficult and suddenly Timothy has to leave for another meeting? So either he can't give enough time for something as important as this or.....
     
  4. RoboCCFC90

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    "TF – Stadium technical briefing is done. Requirements have been collected.
    Stadium needs a signature DNA of the club to be put on it and that’s for the fans to decide. What does it mean to fans to have their own stadium? Key Points from Tim are – entrance needs to look like a football club. Architect strapline – retro yet contemporary. Tim has spent a lot of time going back and forth to Germany – German design leads the world at the moment. Would the fans like a mixture of seating and standing with the ability to interchange like in stadiums in Germany. There is a 35% uplift in yield on attendances with standing.
    In terms of that group, Stacie will join as head of marketing and one other from the club. Chairperson will then create the group. Potential monthly meetings. Hope to make an announcement in a few weeks."

    The next question should of been what "Tim in your opinion what time frame is a few weeks?"
     
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  6. Rob S

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    Interesting additions at the end:


    Can you add clarity to the ‘Free’ Offer from ACL?

    ACL are mixing match day costs and rent.

    At Northampton, Rent includes; all stadium related first team match day services including pitch maintenance, utilities, refuse collection and covers the following facilities - the pitch, the stadium, the stadium seating, the changing rooms, hospitality suites and banqueting areas, match day staff facilities, media facilities.

    The stadium also provide all catering staff, all grounds men. The licensee (the club) separately provide stewards, crowd doctor, crowd ambulance, player ambulance.

    The ACL proposal comprised a license fee of per match plus match day costs, defined as charges to maintain and manage pitch, utilities, waste, hygiene, match day stadium maintenance salaries, statutory service contracts. The total is north of 12K per match. This is, of course, rent/facility fee.


    What is the financial justification of playing at Northampton?

    The original rationale and premise for Sixfields was the ensuring an ability to fulfil our fixtures. Without this the club would have catastrophically failed. The rationale for Northampton is not financially driven in the short term.

    Any return to the Ricoh on an interim rental deal would be very difficult. Notwithstanding, the improper purpose, the un-connected creditor put down the club for a mere 200K monies owed - caused a 20 point loss and threatened the club's very existence.
     
  7. Nick

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    What do you mean by that?
     
  8. Captain Dart

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    WTF is a "signature DNA"... just bullshit words IMHO.
     
  9. bigfatronssba

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    He wants a mixture of seating and standing?

    Well he obviously has no aim of being in the top two divisions then.
     
  10. Astute

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    Or hasn't got a clue about football stadium rules.

    Oh forgot. Joy knows nothing about football and us fans.
     
  11. RoboCCFC90

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    A lot of German Bundesliga sides have standing and seating...
     
  12. Nick

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    It doesn't seem to be completely in order with everything there.
     
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    sorry - the scg has let the fans down -not one paxman style question

    fisher off the hook again
     
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    12k per match when you get probably 12,000 extra fans per game at present is hardly bad going !!!!!

    Even I can do the sums there so I'm sure Tim can
     
  15. edgy

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    It means, he doesn't like whats being said and is trying to discredit it by implying it was set up.
     
  16. RoboCCFC90

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    Can the real SBT please stand up..

    TF – What does the Sky Blue Trust (SBT) statement of 2nd August mean? We beseech the football league not to give the golden share to Otium. Club comes first and always has. We had to save the club on 2nd August. As said before, the FL were prepared to have 71 teams for one year so we had to act and move the club to ensure that we could fulfil our fixtures.
    Indeed by making such irresponsible statements as that of 2nd August then the fans are being totally mislead. I am angry and sorry for Coventry fans. I travel by train where possible to try and speak to and engage with as many fans as I can. The fans in the SBT are lions led by donkeys. The SBT needs leadership.
     
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    SCG are the fans?
     
  18. edgy

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    Safe standing is being seriously considered in the top divisions.
     
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    What confuses me was Steve's reply.

    It wasn't the fans writing statements on behalf of the trust, but I do think the trust are getting more professional.
     
  20. RoboCCFC90

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    They have tried since July..
     
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    And I suppose that the FL would bend the rules for SISU yet again.
     
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    Maybe this is why Timothy is trying to discredit the SBT?
     
  23. edgy

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    If standing is introduced by the time we make it to the Premiership, then we're ahead of the game. If not, then we convert the standing area to seats. No problem.

    Everyone is well up for safe standing............... until SISU suggest it.
     
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    Exactly, laughable really.
     
  25. RoboCCFC90

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    I'd love a Safe Standing type ground, it's better for an atmosphere.
     
  26. Astute

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    Not suggest it. Make out as though a stadium would be built with it more like. It is accepted at the level we are now at. So look at the other side of the coin and tell me what that says?
     
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    Don't be so protective !!

    Hardly informative. Certainly lots of propaganda. Those there seem to be taking his answers with a sympathetic nod unless it's been edited in the minutes.

    No information on new stadium even though the requirements have been gathered.

    I could go on but its certainly not moving the situation on and I'm loosing interest in it all.
     
  28. italiahorse

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    He's giving out the obvious fans 'likes' but not giving you any information of relevance.

    Don't be fooled.
     
  29. edgy

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    They accept that we are a league one club? Probably a good 5 years minimum away from the premiership. What's wrong with facing reality?
     
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    Maybe he is, but then I couldn't care, I think in this country generally atmospheres at games are quite somber, compared to what you get in some European Countries (Germany, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc.) Crystal Palace are trying and whenever they play there fans do tend to make a good atmosphere, if we can get something like that at City it would be epic and good fun.
     
  32. SIR ERNIE

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    the reality is that there will be no new stadium.
     
  33. oldskyblue58

    oldskyblue58 CCFC Finance Director

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    As far as the SB Trust goes I would suggest people actually read the statements that were made

    http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article/289-trust-press-release-01082013

    http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index...cle/290-sky-blue-trust-press-release-02082013

    then we can make our own minds up

    the bits added at the bottom of the SCG meeting minutes would appear to be an incomplete way to answer the following questions that the Trust put to Mr Fisher this week (copies of the questions were sent out to all Trust members)

    Otium Entertainment Group Limited
    - have you ever received proposals from the Football League for them to broker talks with ACL on a rental deal of any kind?
    - If so, did the Football League proposed talks include any offer from ACL of a rent free period?
    - If so, did you inform the Football League that you rejected the proposal for talks and any rental offer? If so on what basis did you reject those proposals?
    - What is the business case that makes remaining at Sixfields more viable than even a short term return to the Ricoh?
    - In addition to the rent paid at Sixfields does CCFC pay match day costs?
    - What match day revenue does CCFC receive whilst at Sixfields?
    - Please define clearly the reasons why the only solution is for CCFC to own the freehold of its stadium – surely it is income streams that are of prime importance to the football club? That doesn’t necessarily mean freehold ownership.
    - Are you willing to look at anything other than freehold ownership?
    - Will Otium Entertainment Group Limited, its directors or owners enter in to any discussions with ACL regarding rental agreements?
     
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    It isn't the majority of us fans that haven't faced reality. It is the ones that always try and look for any good in SISU.
     
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    Hoffman?
    That would be a really clever move.
     

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