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  • Start date Apr 29, 2014
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #36
If people repeat it online and it is false or they can't prove it, of course there can be comeback on them.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #37
My understanding is only post something if you know it to be the truth
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #38
dongonzalos said:
My understanding is only post something if you know it to be the truth
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Stop demanding that everybody posts hearsay from meetings then!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #39
dongonzalos said:
My understanding is only post something if you know it to be the truth
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And can prove it to be true in a court of law
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #40
Nick said:
If people repeat it online and it is false or they can't prove it, of course there can be comeback on them.
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Surely if you're quoting him you don't have to prove truth in what you are quoting just that he said it?

If there was only two people in the meeting it would be one persons word against another and that would go nowhere. If there were more people in the meeting every single other person would have to cover up for ML which seems unlikely.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #41
dongonzalos said:
My understanding is only post something if you know it to be the truth
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From memory if you're stating something as fact, as opposed to quoting something someone else said, its something vague like you have to have reason to believe it is true.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #42
chiefdave said:
Surely if you're quoting him you don't have to prove truth in what you are quoting just that he said it?

If there was only two people in the meeting it would be one persons word against another and that would go nowhere. If there were more people in the meeting every single other person would have to cover up for ML which seems unlikely.
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Maybe people don't want to do others dirty work for them?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #43
lordsummerisle said:
Don't think anybody is nervous about it, posted what i thought about it a couple of weeks ago, doesn't make it a conspiracy.
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Lord

You posted that you found it a bit of a waste of time.

You never really said what you asked and what answers you got?

Did ask questions or was it just all one way traffic?

Also you did wait a few days till it came out on here, before you mentioned that you had been to the meeting.

Why did you not mention it on here straight away. You must know that people would definitely have been interested in your meeting?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #44
lordsummerisle said:
Stop demanding that everybody posts hearsay from meetings then!
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It not hearsay if you are posting what ML said to you and that is all you are posting.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #45
Nick said:
And can prove it to be true in a court of law
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As said before if no one else was present or others are not prepared to support you. Then it comes down to a simple one word against the other. Which would never get proved either way.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #46
chiefdave said:
From memory if you're stating something as fact, as opposed to quoting something someone else said, its something vague like you have to have reason to believe it is true.
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The only bit you state as fact would be if you were the cousin himself saying I can say for a fact ML said this to me.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #47
dongonzalos said:
Lord

You posted that you found it a bit of a waste of time.

You never really said what you asked and what answers you got?

Did ask questions or was it just all one way traffic?

Also you did wait a few days till it came out on here, before you mentioned that you had been to the meeting.

Why did you not mention it on here straight away. You must know that people would definitely have been interested in your meeting?
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Was little point really, nothing concrete to say from it, and thought if mentioned it would just be accusations of "usual suspects" etc, which there were a few of.

Relieved that it was LAST who broke cover first, as only the most paranoid mentalist could accuse him of being pro-Sisu!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #48
dongonzalos said:
Lord

You posted that you found it a bit of a waste of time.

You never really said what you asked and what answers you got?

Did ask questions or was it just all one way traffic?

Also you did wait a few days till it came out on here, before you mentioned that you had been to the meeting.

Why did you not mention it on here straight away. You must know that people would definitely have been interested in your meeting?
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As before, if you are so interested then go and speak to him yourself. You can ask whatever you like.

It is fucking boring now you keep going on, you clearly have some sort of motive to keep digging
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #49
dongonzalos said:
It not hearsay if you are posting what ML said to you and that is all you are posting.
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What it is doing is putting out information that people may take as fact or not, but regardless would have some influence, either directly or subliminally upon their thinking.

Not doing others work for them as i've said.
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #50
dongonzalos said:
Lord

You posted that you found it a bit of a waste of time.

You never really said what you asked and what answers you got?

Did ask questions or was it just all one way traffic?

Also you did wait a few days till it came out on here, before you mentioned that you had been to the meeting.

Why did you not mention it on here straight away. You must know that people would definitely have been interested in your meeting?
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Jesus Christ, this obsession is becoming unhealthy.
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #51
lordsummerisle said:
Don't think anybody is nervous about it, posted what i thought about it a couple of weeks ago, doesn't make it a conspiracy.
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In fairness, the OP of the deleted thread was nervous enough to take it down. Appreciate there might not be a conspiracy, but I don't much care for SISU's approach to free speech in general (see action against SBT for example). I'd be as critical of anyone from either side doing this, fwiw.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #52
lordsummerisle said:
Was little point really, nothing concrete to say from it, and thought if mentioned it would just be accusations of "usual suspects" etc, which there were a few of.

Relieved that it was LAST who broke cover first, as only the most paranoid mentalist could accuse him of being pro-Sisu!
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To be fair it was Grendel who could no longer hold on and broke ranks, then it was like an AA meeting one by one
They did well to keep silent for a few days though
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #53
dongonzalos said:
To be fair it was Grendel who could no longer hold on and broke ranks, then it was like an AA meeting one by one
They did well to keep silent for a few days though
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You are showing an unhealthy interest in it while being very keen not to actually meet him yourself Keep dragging it up, asking stuff over an over again. As if you after something in particular, yet you so there is no agenda
 
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limoncello

Guest
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #54
chiefdave said:
If ML said it there can be no comeback on you or your cousin. If he said it and it wasn't true then the person or organisation he was being untruthful about could take action against ML directly. If your cousin was the only one in the meeting then ML could claim to have never said it, one persons word against another so that would go nowhere, if more than one person was at the meeting then unless they're all going to perjure themselves to cover for him he wouldn't be able to claim it hadn't been said.
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You'd like to think that our libel laws were common sense. Sadly they are weighted in favour of the party with the most money. It is for the alledged libeller to prove the truth of their libel. We have some of the worst libel laws in the world, hence 'libel tourism' and the scandal of Simon Singh vs the British Chiropractic Association. At least in the States they've got the 'Sullivan defence', in which the claimant must prove malice or serious recklessness before the case proceeds to the courts.

In short, if you can't prove it, don't say/write it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #55
dongonzalos said:
To be fair it was Grendel who could no longer hold on and broke ranks, then it was like an AA meeting one by one
They did well to keep silent for a few days though
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No it was Letsall.
 
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ccfcmustang

New Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #56
Something I have just been informed of has disappointed me greatly. Nick, LS Grendel and another member of this site had a meeting with ML. This is fine but from such vocal people on this forum they didnt even give us supporters any chance to offer any questions which could of been asked. As soon as I find out any infomation i have let my fellow supporters know through this channel of communication. Its disappointing that none of the above didnt ask for questions but also tried to hide this.
 
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_brian_

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #57
ccfcmustang said:
Something I have just been informed of has disappointed me greatly. Nick, LS Grendel and another member of this site had a meeting with ML. This is fine but from such vocal people on this forum they didnt even give us supporters any chance to offer any questions which could of been asked. As soon as I find out any infomation i have let my fellow supporters know through this channel of communication. Its disappointing that none of the above didnt ask for questions but also tried to hide this.
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It was Nasty Nick's fault! I'm seriously considering boycotting this website! Let's see how far his pro-Sisu ways get him when he's not getting my click-per-view advertising income!!!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #58
ccfcmustang said:
Something I have just been informed of has disappointed me greatly. Nick, LS Grendel and another member of this site had a meeting with ML. This is fine but from such vocal people on this forum they didnt even give us supporters any chance to offer any questions which could of been asked. As soon as I find out any infomation i have let my fellow supporters know through this channel of communication. Its disappointing that none of the above didnt ask for questions but also tried to hide this.
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You haven't been informed very well as there were quite a few, there are also a few threads about it

Send me your details in a PM and I will see if you can get a meeting with him.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #59
ccfcmustang said:
Something I have just been informed of has disappointed me greatly. Nick, LS Grendel and another member of this site had a meeting with ML. This is fine but from such vocal people on this forum they didnt even give us supporters any chance to offer any questions which could of been asked. As soon as I find out any infomation i have let my fellow supporters know through this channel of communication. Its disappointing that none of the above didnt ask for questions but also tried to hide this.
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What?!?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #60
ccfcmustang said:
Something I have just been informed of has disappointed me greatly. Nick, LS Grendel and another member of this site had a meeting with ML. This is fine but from such vocal people on this forum they didnt even give us supporters any chance to offer any questions which could of been asked. As soon as I find out any infomation i have let my fellow supporters know through this channel of communication. Its disappointing that none of the above didnt ask for questions but also tried to hide this.
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I don't see how in practice that would have worked. It wasn't arranged until the day before attending.

It was supposed to have been a discussion on the structure if a forum. It didn't quite turn out that way and there was a lot of information presented.

The information presented was random and potentially in some cases libellous. One reference in particular was very outlandish. It was in confidence but I suspect was intended to be leaked. Its not appropriate for discussion.

As it has now already been mentioned Michael Byng attended the meeting I was in.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #61
Grendel said:
I don't see how in practice that would have worked. It wasn't arranged until the day before attending.

It was supposed to have been a discussion on the structure if a forum. It didn't quite turn out that way and there was a lot of information presented.

The information presented was random and potentially in some cases libellous. One reference in particular was very outlandish. It was in confidence but I suspect was intended to be leaked. Its not appropriate for discussion.

As it has now already been mentioned Michael Byng attended the meeting I was in.
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Out of interest, what were your credentials for being a chosen one?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #62
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Out of interest, what were your credentials for being a chosen one?
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Intelligence and impartiality?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #63
MMM, there is a thread titled Fans Forum which will tell you everything

People are making out that it is only people from here who met him, the fact there were 20 - 30 meetings and people from here made up probably 2.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #64
Grendel said:
Intelligence and impartiality?
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I can only conclude it was all a dream then....
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #65
Nick said:
MMM, there is a thread titled Fans Forum which will tell you everything

People are making out that it is only people from here who met him, the fact there were 20 - 30 meetings and people from here made up probably 2.
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I'll have a shufty, and put it down to happenchance that such a narrow demographic of opinion was afforded such an interaction.....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #66
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I'll have a shufty, and put it down to happenchance that such a narrow demographic of opinion was afforded such an interaction.....
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Yes, you can put it down to what you like but as you obviously don't know the demographic it will just make you look like you are making silly assumptions
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #67
It was all part of the same conspiracy that saw the thread deleted yesterday and change constantly go missing from my wallet.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #68
Nick said:
Yes, you can put it down to what you like but as you obviously don't know the demographic it will just make you look like you are making silly assumptions
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You have to make assumptions when Grendy is side-stepping Brighton's questions like John Salako in his prime. Brighton was asking how any potential invites or selections were made. So that nobody else makes 'silly assumptions' maybe you'd be so good as to answer the question others avoided?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #69
I am not at liberty to say who went and who didn't after being invited to be fair, some people may not want to be named because of the hassle they might get, others might.

I don't want to start naming and shaming people, if they want to post that they went or if I asked them and they couldn't make it then that is up to them.
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 30, 2014
  • #70
Nick said:
Yes, you can put it down to what you like but as you obviously don't know the demographic it will just make you look like you are making silly assumptions
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Won't he learn the demographic by reading the other thread?
 
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