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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,861
skybluetony176 said:
I’ve shown you by quoting your post where you challenged people to prove you wrong. You’ve been proved wrong. Deal with it.
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Show it then. You have shown nothing.

In fact have it your way. Have it the way the 3 of you are saying. The EU will give the UK what it wants. All we need is to be in the customs union and all is well. There is no chance of FOM remaining.

And whilst the 3 of you all pat each other on the back I will find someone sensible and not twisting everything who wants a debate. Because you 3 are a waste of time.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,862
To be honest I’m pretty confused by this latest chapter
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,863
Astute said:
Show it then. You have shown nothing.

In fact have it your way. Have it the way the 3 of you are saying. The EU will give the UK what it wants. All we need is to be in the customs union and all is well. There is no chance of FOM remaining.

And whilst the 3 of you all pat each other on the back I will find someone sensible and not twisting everything who wants a debate. Because you 3 are a waste of time.
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Are you pissed?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,864
Astute said:
Childish?

You, SB and Tony have been spinning a story which is the opposite of what all 3 of you have been saying for ages. It is pathetic. Why should I put up with it?
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Again...and you accuse others of stifling debate, stop playing the victim
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,865
Some good news just announced on C4 news. Fox has threatened to resign if any agreement is made with Labour on a customs union. Fingers crossed.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,866
Apparently the E.U. has rejected her request for a delay until June and offered one until December instead.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,867
skybluetony176 said:
Some good news just announced on C4 news. Fox has threatened to resign if any agreement is made with Labour on a customs union. Fingers crossed.
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Yet another one who will blame other people for his lies and failings
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,868
skybluetony176 said:
Apparently the E.U. has rejected her request for a delay until June and offered one until December instead.
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...on certain conditions. Like we hold EU elections, but if the French get their supposed way we will have no say in the decision making for the next President of the commission...so an apparent contradiction in itself.

NOW is the moment TM should seize them by the goolies & tell them we aren't holding the elections, or we have full & continued say until we leave, or we walk without a deal. I suspect there will be a grovelling type acceptance though.

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,869
SkyblueBazza said:
...on certain conditions. Like we hold EU elections, but if the French get their supposed way we will have no say in the decision making for the next President of the commission...so an apparent contradiction in itself.

NOW is the moment TM should seize them by the goolies & tell them we aren't holding the elections, or we have full & continued say until we leave, or we walk without a deal. I suspect there will be a grovelling type acceptance though.

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Yeah, just keep telling yourself that
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,870
SkyblueBazza said:
...on certain conditions. Like we hold EU elections, but if the French get their supposed way we will have no say in the decision making for the next President of the commission...so an apparent contradiction in itself.

NOW is the moment TM should seize them by the goolies & tell them we aren't holding the elections, or we have full & continued say until we leave, or we walk without a deal. I suspect there will be a grovelling type acceptance though.

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Yeah. Well Rees Mogg and Mark Francois have said that perfide Albion will be a Trojan Horse in the EU. The UK will block the EU Budget, any moves to integration and just generally behave like naughty school boys. Surprisingly enough, the EU countries are trying to find a way of stopping the UK of having potential mal influence on the future of the EU of given an extension.

The idea of a Trojan horse is to catch the enemy by surprise. Now that the idiots have told the world their perfide plan, the UK will have to sit it in the corner with as little influence as possible.

Who will still vote Tory after this Brexit debacle?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,871
SkyBlueDom26 said:
We Won't stay in the EU, leave won and the government needs to get a grip and deliver what the majority voted for
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There is no majority for anything in parliament. We will be staying. Brexit is dead.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 9, 2019
  • #34,872
Meanwhile. The EU/ China trade talks are showing signs of progress. XI has said he is prepared to open his markets more to the EU and both parties have agreed to work together in mutual respect. Are China / UK talks still stalled because of Gavin Williams‘ aircraft carrier antics?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,873
fernandopartridge said:
Are you pissed?
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Pissed off yes.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,874
martcov said:
Meanwhile. The EU/ China trade talks are showing signs of progress. XI has said he is prepared to open his markets more to the EU and both parties have agreed to work together in mutual respect.
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Oh yeah, how is the EU trade war with the US going?
 
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dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,875
martcov said:
No. And it won’t as wages are rising and we have full employment.
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But not for long! :emoji_relaxed:
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,876
dutchman said:
Oh yeah, how is the EU trade war with the US going?
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Hasn’t really started yet. The USA is too busy salivating over the UK trade deal it hopes to get.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,877
dutchman said:
Oh yeah, how is the EU trade war with the US going?
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Trading on WTO terms: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,878
martcov said:
There is no majority for anything in parliament. We will be staying. Brexit is dead.
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Or in the country at large
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,879
martcov said:
Trading on WTO terms: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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It was a rhetorical question but thanks for the link anyway. :emoji_thumbsup:

Your EU masters reacted exactly as I hoped they would.
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,880
dutchman said:
It was a rhetorical question but thanks for the link anyway. :emoji_thumbsup:

Your EU masters reacted exactly as I hoped they would.
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How have my masters reacted? I hope the EU gives them a year on condition they come up with a viable plan acceptable to a majority and ratified by a people’s vote which includes the deal and both no deal and remain. Fairest way out of this.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,881
martcov said:
How have my masters reacted? I hope the EU gives them a year on condition they come up with a viable plan acceptable to a majority and ratified by a people’s vote which includes the deal and both no deal and remain. Fairest way out of this.
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As it says in the article you linked to:

"The European Union is preparing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. over subsidies to Boeing Co., significantly escalating transatlantic trade tensions hours after Washington vowed to hit the EU with duties over its support for Airbus SE."

A predictable knee-jerk reaction which will ultimately do even more damage to the EU. Exactly what I wanted to see, brilliant!:emoji_thumbsup:
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,882
dutchman said:
As it says in the article you linked to:

"The European Union is preparing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. over subsidies to Boeing Co., significantly escalating transatlantic trade tensions hours after Washington vowed to hit the EU with duties over its support for Airbus SE."

A predictable knee-jerk reaction which will ultimately do even more damage to the EU. Exactly what I wanted to see, brilliant!:emoji_thumbsup:
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If AirBus has a bad time because of it, you will be pleased. Some patriot.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,883
martcov said:
If AirBus has a bad time because of it, you will be pleased. Some patriot.
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Oh I'm expecting a lot worse than that and it'll be worth it to be an independent country again.
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,884
dutchman said:
Oh I'm expecting a lot worse than that and it'll be worth it to be an independent country again.
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What on earth have you been drinking or smoking? We are an independent country... as far you can be if you want to get on as a country. We have given up some sovereignty in every treaty we have ever signed. We will continue to sign treaties and trade deals for ever. We will never be completely independent. In fact the more isolated we become, the less influence we will have and the less chance we will have of getting good terms of trade. Anyone who thinks less integration is a positive is going to be disappointed, especially with trade and security.
 
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Grappa

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  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,885
dutchman said:
Oh I'm expecting a lot worse than that and it'll be worth it to be an independent country again.
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Astute

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  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,886
Grappa said:
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Wrong thread. No selfies allowed on this one.
 
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RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,887
So what about old Jezza and May getting down to brass tacks then? If she got the tippex out on her red line and went along with his customs union proposals, would that keep the pro EU team happy?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,888
RegTheDonk said:
So what about old Jezza and May getting down to brass tacks then? If she got the tippex out on her red line and went along with his customs union proposals, would that keep the pro EU team happy?
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I was always erring against canceling the wretched thing due to the disillusionment it would cause, but I’m now of the opinion that the whole thing should be binned, as going through with it is going to be far worse.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,889
RegTheDonk said:
So what about old Jezza and May getting down to brass tacks then? If she got the tippex out on her red line and went along with his customs union proposals, would that keep the pro EU team happy?
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Theresa May won't go for that because it will cause even more disunity in the Tory party, that's her #1 priority, to keep the Conservatives in power.
 
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dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,890
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Theresa May won't go for that because it will cause even more disunity in the Tory party, that's her #1 priority, to keep the Conservatives in power.
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It won't matter how united they are if people stop voting for them.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,891
dutchman said:
It won't matter how united they are if people stop voting for them.
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Tories will lose votes but Labour won't lose many at all. Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it. But the longer this bullshit goes on for the more the Tory voters will desert them.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,892
Astute said:
Tories will lose votes but Labour won't lose many at all. Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it. But the longer this bullshit goes on for the more the Tory voters will desert them.
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I do think that the press’s behaviour before the last election with the weird Mail front pages pushed many errring to voting Labour.

The openly gay ex Olympic fencer thing was just weird and they seemed to think that they were able to print any old bigotry.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,893
Astute said:
Tories will lose votes but Labour won't lose many at all. Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it. But the longer this bullshit goes on for the more the Tory voters will desert them.
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People said that in 2017 and Labour increased its vote and seat share.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,894
Mucca Mad Boys said:
People said that in 2017 and Labour increased its vote and seat share.
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May had an almost unprecedented share of the vote didn’t she?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2019
  • #34,895
dutchman said:
Oh I'm expecting a lot worse than that and it'll be worth it to be an independent country again.
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Independent of what ??? World trade!! Ffs we are an interdependent world
 
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