Politicians torn? All they want to do is go against what the people voted for but they don't want it to look as though they have gone against what the people voted for.
If we had another vote and remain won but it was close this time would you be happy for vote 3? If leave won again would you just let it happen or be like you are now?
And I say yet again this is my problem with another referendum. What would it actually solve? We are going to be tied to the EU at least. Parliament is making sure of this.
Politicians torn? All they want to do is go against what the people voted for but they don't want it to look as though they have gone against what the people voted for.
If we had another vote and remain won but it was close this time would you be happy for vote 3? If leave won again would you just let it happen or be like you are now?
And I say yet again this is my problem with another referendum. What would it actually solve? We are going to be tied to the EU at least. Parliament is making sure of this.
There will be chaos whatever.
I think it would be closer if we had another referendum. Would you like to hear another leave result? Because it would be much harder to make any sort of deal that tied us to the EU if we had another leave result.
There will be chaos whatever.
I think it would be closer if we had another referendum. Would you like to hear another leave result? Because it would be much harder to make any sort of deal that tied us to the EU if we had another leave result.
If we had another leave result there would have to be a supplementary leave question, no deal or close relationship. The leavers would have to agree what leave is before any new negotiations. That was a mistake last time. To trigger it without clarifying what sort of deal we should go for. May had no mandate for her red lines. Only asked for approval having agreed her deal with the EU.
Another leave would have to be the No Deal option.Why do you think anyone actually wants the country to suffer whatever happens? The whole deadlock in Parliament is a result of politicians torn between a 52-48 vote 3 years ago and every analysis going showing that we will be worse off than staying.
Call another referendum. If it is still the will of the people to leave like this it will happen
We can’t though and I suspect you know this. The planning and changes required are huge in every area of our societyOK let’s pitch No Deal vs Remain. Leave the next day versus stay the next day
The same TR who complained his human rights were breached by not having a TV in prison and who claims you can’t say anything bad about Muslims yet curiously has never been arrested for hate speech
Obsessed, you ought to see someone.Just listened to him screaming about poor victim Trump. Making his paymasters happy. And pointing out poor victim white people being falsely accused of racism in the media. Screaming like the Nazi that he is. Making angry people angrier. Bannon will have a hard on.
Disagree put the most popular Leave option up on its own. If everyone loves it as we keep getting told it will still win
He needs to be arrestedObsessed, you ought to see someone.
Obsessed, you ought to see someone.
He needs to be arrested
But as I said would you be happy with a no deal exit?You do know it is possible and acceptable both to make a mistake and then admit to it? All the evidence points to Brexit being shit. The best Leave figures can argue now is that financial hardship will only be temporary.
If public opinion has turned against it why are we still going on with it? If it hasn’t, let’s crack on-after a vote to know one way or the other.
So if it was leave again you would want another referendum in a few years?Another referendum would be final, and with tougher laws than the advisory referendum where anything went and the fines were minimal compared with altering the direction of a country.
Even if it was close, it would be the last say on it for a few years. After all the controversy, no one would dare ask for a final final say. I wouldn’t.
And if it came back as leave without a deal?OK let’s pitch No Deal vs Remain. Leave the next day versus stay the next day
So leave or not leave.If we had another leave result there would have to be a supplementary leave question, no deal or close relationship. The leavers would have to agree what leave is before any new negotiations. That was a mistake last time. To trigger it without clarifying what sort of deal we should go for. May had no mandate for her red lines. Only asked for approval having agreed her deal with the EU.
Why not?We can’t though and I suspect you know this. The planning and changes required are huge in every area of our society
So if it was leave again you would want another referendum in a few years?
If it was remain would you want it to be THE final say?
If not then you want it to continue for a lot of years. In, out, shake it all about.
Go forward in a different way. Have votes on which way we should go forward. Get something sorted before the European elections.Surely we are due a meaningless statement from Theresa at some point this evening....
Another referendum would be final, and with tougher laws than the advisory referendum where anything went and the fines were minimal compared with altering the direction of a country.
Even if it was close, it would be the last say on it for a few years. After all the controversy, no one would dare ask for a final final say. I wouldn’t.
Don’t you read posts? What part of final don’t you understand?
Are you disagreeing with yourself now?
Go forward in a different way. Have votes on which way we should go forward. Get something sorted before the European elections.
Blah blah blah. Can see it already.
So you agree with my comment but make out that you disagree with my comment.Last say on it.. I say for a few years, because whatever way it goes, we cannot see into the future. But, for the next few years at least, we could get on with our lives. Final is as final as you can say without a crystal ball.
Hahaha. Nice quote. You're turning into a parody of yourself once again. Medication wearing off ?Last say on it.. I say for a few years, because whatever way it goes, we cannot see into the future. But, for the next few years at least, we could get on with our lives. Final is as final as you can say without a crystal ball.
Just found this. Will try and cut the normal crap.out.‘I’ve seen the problem... I’ve written the withdrawal agreement in the wrong font. I look forward to resubmitting it to this House in Comic Sans to ensure a clear mandate with which to move forward’
Hahaha. Nice quote. You're turning into a parody of yourself once again. Medication wearing off ?
So you agree with my comment but make out that you disagree with my comment.
You say you wouldn't want it to be THE final say on the matter yet you ask me if I understand what final say means.
Then you say it is your last say on the matter :smuggrin:
As I have constantly said there is nothing wrong in admitting a mistake. But making out that I am wrong when everyone can clearly see what you have said pisses me off.
Do you want it to be THE final say or not? And if you don't want it to be THE final say do you have to ask if I understand what final say means?
Don’t equate O‘Brien with Farage.
At least O‘Brien has people who know what they are talking about on his program. Farage doesn’t. He just gets people echoing himself. Sometimes his callers are incredibly stupid, and he has to be very careful that he doesn’t upset them as they are absolute fans of him.
I was responding to leaving without a dealWhy not?
It would be the best way of getting a remain vote. And it would also get rid of the comments about people not knowing what they voted for. And parliament would have to follow the wishes of the people and wouldn't have wriggle room to ignore the people again.
But you wouldn't want that. You would want parliament to go against the vote again. So we would be in exactly the same position again.
Representative democracy. It’s their jobCan someone explain to me why labours position is to vote down the withdrawal agreement as they want a customs union, yet one of the options to be negotiated during the transition period could be a customs union ? I’d imagine to ensure the backstop could be exited quickly this is a highly likely solution but why tie our hands before the negotiations even start ?
The whole thing is a farce. Too many people with too entrenched views not willing to budge
Thanks for clarifying.A misunderstanding. Simple. I say final. I mean that, but in a few years someone may come along and say no let’s do it again. I admit I didn’t make it 100% clear, but the intention was to have a final say as far as we can say. Not another referendum next year, or because the people voted leave.
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