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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,021
Sick Boy said:
He has such a warped and hypocritical way of thinking, we’re talking about the murder of innocent people here ffs.
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I didn’t condone terrorism and haven’t said anything about murdering innocent people
My beliefs are opposite to yours that’s what makes good debate.
I’m British and a loyalist that is my position and proud of it!!!
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,022
Sick Boy said:
I’m coming round to the idea what MPs should only be eligible to ‘serve’ for a set number of years, ideally 12 maximum.
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The problem with this is on the rare occasion we find a good one they could only serve for 12 years. But there us an endless supply of the useless ones.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,023
chiefdave said:
What's the alternative? Our system means most people in England won't move from either Conservative or Labour as anything else is viewed as a wasted vote. The sort of shift in votes you'd need for the Lib Dems, Greens or anyone else to get a significant foothold just won't happen.
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The Lib Dems were picking up momentum until they got into bed with the Tories. My wife always voted for them. They had some decent MP's. But once they joined the Tories it finished them off. And it was so obviously going to happen. Tory voters were never going to vote for them and people voted Lib Dems because they didn't trust Labour or the Tories. Then suddenly they became untrustworthy.
 

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,024
westcountry_skyblue said:
I didn’t condone terrorism and haven’t said anything about murdering innocent people
My beliefs are opposite to yours that’s what makes good debate.
I’m British and a loyalist that is my position and proud of it!!!
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You’re a fucking numbskull is what you are.
 
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skyblueinBaku

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,025
Grendel said:
Clarke is nothing but a dribbling europhile whose benefited hugely from paid “consultancy” roles with large PLC’s who he has always looked after.

By your own logic the distinctly anti European Beast of Bolsover is equally sane I assume?
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I agree with you about Ken Clarke. I don't agree with Dennis Skinner's politics, but I admire the way he says what he thinks and sticks to his principles. My brother lives in Derbyshire and reckons that Mr. Skinner is an excellent constuency MP.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,026
Sick Boy said:
HAHAHA!!! My parents are Irish and I lived there for a bit as child, I think both are as bad as each other, you hypocrite.
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So you're Irish.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,027
Population by Country (2019) - Worldometers
Changing the subject a bit but:
I find this sort of stuff troubling, look at the projections for the UK and Germany amongst others..........take a look at the comparative land area, then minus huge swathes of the UK that is not habitable and imagine how a tad squeezed we might all be soon, oh and without fresh water and enough farmland to grow our own food ?!
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,028
Ashdown said:
Population by Country (2019) - Worldometers
Changing the subject a bit but:
I find this sort of stuff troubling, look at the projections for the UK and Germany amongst others..........take a look at the comparative land area, then minus huge swathes of the UK that is not habitable and imagine how a tad squeezed we might all be soon, oh and without fresh water and enough farmland to grow our own food ?!
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That is why quality of life is the biggest important factor in all this.
The same people that throw accusations about being racist for wanting to try to stem immigration; that bleat about the economy & 'we need growth'; that demand more houses as there is plenty of land to build upon - are often the same ones that moan about: sitting in traffic jams; the destruction of the environment (& they will travel by car/coach/train/plane to London to march for such causes); complain there aren't enough open spaces.
We are all nothing but hypocrites

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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,029
Ashdown said:
So you're Irish.
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Yes but I have citizenship of both countries and consider myself both equally,.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,030
SBAndy said:
You’re a fucking numbskull is what you are.
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So what you saying? Its wrong to be proud to be British and loyal to the Queen?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,031
westcountry_skyblue said:
So what you saying? Its wrong to be proud to be British and loyal to the Queen?
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Bloody hell Wurzel, you do know that the Ulster Defence Association isn't a regiment of the British army don't you?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,032
westcountry_skyblue said:
I didn’t condone terrorism and haven’t said anything about murdering innocent people
My beliefs are opposite to yours that’s what makes good debate.
I’m fucking stupid that is my position and proud of it!!!
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Good for you
 

Westendlad

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,033
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Good for you
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Grow up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,034
Westendlad said:
Grow up
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You tell me what someone is when they are OK with violence as long as it was carried out by the 'right side'. In fact direct me to a single post of his that has made any sense
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,035
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You tell me what someone is when they are OK with violence as long as it was carried out by the 'right side'. In fact direct me to a single post of his that has made any sense
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Will be interesting when the leave marchers arrive in London tomorrow. Democratic Football Lads and Tommy‘s yellow vests plus Farage’s pub crawlers. For some people they are on the right side. I think they are being used. So I am on the right side. The was no violence on the PV march.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,036
Police brace for disorder after far-right protesters threaten to riot on what would have been Brexit day
 

Gazolba

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,037
Summary:
The Government has voted against any deal and also voted against no-deal.
So the solution is to delay.
This is politicians in action.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,038
Gazolba said:
Summary:
The Government has voted against any deal and also voted against no-deal.
So the solution is to delay.
This is politicians in action.
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Wonder how long it will take before they finally accept that a second vote will give them an immediate answer. Not like it's ever stopped May putting the same shitty deal to MPs until it passes
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,039
Gazolba said:
Summary:
The Government has voted against any deal and also voted against no-deal.
So the solution is to delay.
This is politicians in action.
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We are leaving on 12 April if we don’t pass May’s deal. 22. May if we do. Unless we now revoke article 50 ( very unlikely) we cannot delay much longer.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,040
martcov said:
Will be interesting when the leave marchers arrive in London tomorrow. Democratic Football Lads and Tommy‘s yellow vests plus Farage’s pub crawlers. For some people they are on the right side. I think they are being used. So I am on the right side. The was no violence on the PV march.
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I know it's not representative but it's so funny watching James O'Brien take calls from Brexiteers. At least extending Brexit will prolong the entertainment
 
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Astute

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,041
martcov said:
We are leaving on 12 April if we don’t pass May’s deal. 22. May if we do. Unless we now revoke article 50 ( very unlikely) we cannot delay much longer.
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Why can't we?

If the EU sees a chance of us remaining they will allow us a year or so. Then the negotiations will finally start. Still think it has been the plan from the start.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,042
Martcov/ derby/ Nottingham/ Leicester never actually responds to or addresses the very serious issues facing the UK in the future if nothing changes......all he sees sadly is a right v left scenario and politics and people that control those arguments. Obsessed with your brother and a handful of closet Nazis ......
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,043
westcountry_skyblue said:
So what you saying? Its wrong to be proud to be British and loyal to the Queen?
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It isn't wrong. It is how you live/express/demonstrate it. One way is to debate, the other is to (all intent & purpose) resort to aggression & violence

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,044
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I know it's not representative but it's so funny watching James O'Brien take calls from Brexiteers. At least extending Brexit will prolong the entertainment
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He is so extreme, blinkered & obsessed he cannot see that by segementing in such a way he actually creates greater division.
He identifies strongly with an ethos from a byegone age of German superiority. Utterly bizzare really

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,045
SkyblueBazza said:
He is so extreme, blinkered & obsessed he cannot see that by segementing in such a way he actually creates greater division.
He identifies strongly with an ethos from a byegone age of German superiority. Utterly bizzare really

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Yes your claims are bizarre but where's the evidence to back them up?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,046
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes your claims are bizarre but where's the evidence to back them up?
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Just search his posts

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2019
  • #34,047
westcountry_skyblue said:
So what you saying? Its wrong to be proud to be British and loyal to the Queen?
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I swear my allegiance to a flag representing a piece of rock I was born on at random and to a very rich lady who couldn’t give less of a shit about me.

Don’t take pride in stuff you haven’t done
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,048
Happy Brexit Day....

So when are the blue passports and commemorative 50p’s arriving?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,049
SkyblueBazza said:
He is so extreme, blinkered & obsessed he cannot see that by segementing in such a way he actually creates greater division.
He identifies strongly with an ethos from a byegone age of German superiority. Utterly bizzare really

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Agreed. He’s an intelligent guy but is at the extreme end (like the hard brexiteers) who don’t listen to anyone’s point of view and just come over as smug and opinionated.

People like O’Brien and Farage don’t solve this problem
 

dutchman

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,050
martcov said:
We are leaving on 12 April if we don’t pass May’s deal. 22. May if we do. Unless we now revoke article 50 ( very unlikely) we cannot delay much longer.
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Based on past performance I suspect May will unilaterally revoke Article 50 is she can't get her own way.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,051
dutchman said:
Based on past performance I suspect May will unilaterally revoke Article 50 is she can't get her own way.
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Past performance? Everything she tried failed.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,052
Astute said:
Why can't we?

If the EU sees a chance of us remaining they will allow us a year or so. Then the negotiations will finally start. Still think it has been the plan from the start.
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Contradicting yourself. If we get an extension, it will be to come up with an alternative plan to May’s under a new PM, or to prepare for a people’s vote. The negotiations will not start until after we have voted or parliament has found a plan they can agree on.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,053
Ashdown said:
Martcov/ derby/ Nottingham/ Leicester never actually responds to or addresses the very serious issues facing the UK in the future if nothing changes......all he sees sadly is a right v left scenario and politics and people that control those arguments. Obsessed with your brother and a handful of closet Nazis ......
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I do. This whole Brexit thing distracts from the actual main problem. The distribution of wealth and power. Coupled with a massive gap in education and qualifications.

Huge problems which have absolutely nothing to do with the EU.

Everything is blamed on the EU by populists like Farage.

Brexit will do nothing to solve these problems. It will aggravate them as if, as most experts and businessmen predict, GDP will grow slower than in the EU, there will be less government cash available, bar unlikely taxation changes for the wealthy and stronger controls of tax havens.

Brexit has set us back years already.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,054
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. He’s an intelligent guy but is at the extreme end (like the hard brexiteers) who don’t listen to anyone’s point of view and just come over as smug and opinionated.

People like O’Brien and Farage don’t solve this problem
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Don’t equate O‘Brien with Farage.

At least O‘Brien has people who know what they are talking about on his program. Farage doesn’t. He just gets people echoing himself. Sometimes his callers are incredibly stupid, and he has to be very careful that he doesn’t upset them as they are absolute fans of him.
 
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  • Mar 29, 2019
  • #34,055
Astute said:
Why can't we?

If the EU sees a chance of us remaining they will allow us a year or so. Then the negotiations will finally start. Still think it has been the plan from the start.
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Pretty sure they've said we can have a couple of years, haven't they?

Just doesn't suit the government's current narrative to draw attention to this.
 
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