The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Mar 26, 2019

We’ll have the votes on Wednesday

A clearer picture will be drawn from May’s red lines which lets face it she drew to get the job, it was no accident the leavers all stepped aside leaving her to get the job.

We will go back to the EU with a new vision of what leave means which like the last vision the we know what we voted for crowd still won’t like and the EU will grant us a further extension to sort it, minimum 12 months will be my guess.

We’ll end up leaving just before the next EU elections, with a customs union and crucially Northern Ireland on the same footing as the rest of the U.K.

Either that or further implosion of the Tories. A general election. A hung parliament and a coalition with no consensus on how to proceed with Brexit and article 50 cancelled indefinitely.

Either way if you voted leave history doesn’t lie and this is what you voted for. Enjoy.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

Ian1779 said:
We won't be leaving this Friday now anyway. At the moment it's either mid April or towards the end of May.

One big reason we cannot leave is that we haven’t finished transferring EU law on to our statues.

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

1. Remain petition. Same email can only be used twice but obviously people can set up multiple one time accounts.
2. Analysis by Fullfact (who discredited leave arguments prereferendum) put Saturdays march numbers between 312-400k.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

tisza said:
1. Remain petition. Same email can only be used twice but obviously people can set up multiple one time accounts.
2. Analysis by Fullfact (who discredited leave arguments prereferendum) put Saturdays march numbers between 312-400k.

Wait until 29 March.

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 26, 2019

I'm never voting again, parliament is an absolute disgrace

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
Wait until 29 March.

thought Parliament wasn't sitting March 29th? Speaker's office said they weren't last week.
By Thursday morning we'll have a clearer picture what the final few options could be.
official timeline all about April 12th now?

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
One big reason we cannot leave is that we haven’t finished transferring EU law on to our statues.

actually thought it was the other way around.
we have the EU laws it was a question of removing those they would no longer want/need/be applicable. can't make any of these adjustments without knowing what the final outcome is.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

tisza said:
thought Parliament wasn't sitting March 29th? Speaker's office said they weren't last week.
By Thursday morning we'll have a clearer picture what the final few options could be.
official timeline all about April 12th now?

Farage’s march.

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
Farage’s march.

missed this or is it still the same nonsense that started last week?

bezzer · Mar 26, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m pretty worried if I’m honest. Can see no deal this Friday and we’ll be ok but it will be chaos for a while

April 12th is the day a no deal becomes possible. Friday 29th will be off the statute books this Thursday.

Astute · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
The EU has said that in a no deal there will not be a transition period, but there would be some leeway, for example for financial services, to avoid problems, but that is not to be confused with the transition period and would be much more limited.

The UK would have to negotiate a temporary transition for a couple of months to facilitate the change to WTO conditions.

I don’t know where you get a no change situation with no deal. They made the point strongly that there won’t be the transition period as with a deal.

So nothing will change for the other 27 members but they will for us? If that is the case they can't have it both ways.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

Astute said:
So nothing will change for the other 27 members but they will for us? If that is the case they can't have it both ways.

???? Did I say that? ????

SkyblueBazza · Mar 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Why would ten times as many people sign the Remain petition then? And 100,000 times more people march?

They consist of hardened remainers & a section who have been whipped up by a media frenzy perhaps? Meanwhile maybe the majority of leavers simply cant be arsed as they feel reassured that 'leave means leave'. Their frenzy was in the run-upto the referendum, & might come again if some get their way & reverse that 'leave means leave stance'?

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SkyblueBazza · Mar 26, 2019

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I saw some bird on Twitter had admitted to signing it 10 times.

Some people are so in the woods they cannot see how desperate it looks.

I totally get some are unhappy with the result and in their eyes want what is best for the country, but some of this straw clutching really needs to stop now. It's beyond embarrassing.

She might have been followed by countless others who then followed suit so some of the obsessed could cream their pants

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SkyblueBazza · Mar 26, 2019

Astute said:
He said, she said.
His fault, her fault.
Everyone's a moron.

Are you on the right thread with that one? Sounds like SISU, CCC & Wasps to me

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martcov · Mar 26, 2019

tisza said:
missed this or is it still the same nonsense that started last week?

Pub crawl from Sunderland to London. Group of middle aged balding white men.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
She might have been followed by countless others who then followed suit so some of the obsessed could cream their pants

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I think she was trying to prove a point. I don’t know whether she could prove they were confirmed and still there. Surprised leavers haven’t got their no deal to 5.5 million yet. If it so easy.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
They consist of hardened remainers & a section who have been whipped up by a media frenzy perhaps? Meanwhile maybe the majority of leavers simply cant be arsed as they feel reassured that 'leave means leave'. Their frenzy was in the run-upto the referendum, & might come again if some get their way & reverse that 'leave means leave stance'?

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What is a hardened remainer? The ones I saw were great people. Friendly and in good spirits. People like the Quakers. Peace and community. Are those what you call hardened remainers? I call them decent human beings. Let’s see what turns up on Friday.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Are you on the right thread with that one? Sounds like SISU, CCC & Wasps to me

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There are similarities. Only show in town. We hold all the cards. We’re off to Northampton if we don’t get what we want. We’re leaving with no deal if we don’t get what we want. The plans will be released in 3 weeks. 40 trade deals will be signed to come in effect the day after we leave.

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
What is a hardened remainer? The ones I saw were great people. Friendly and in good spirits. People like the Quakers. Peace and community. Are those what you call hardened remainers? I call them decent human beings. Let’s see what turns up on Friday.

So are people like me who voted to leave, not a 'decent' human being?

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 26, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
So are people like me who voted to leave, not a 'decent' human being?

He didn't say you weren't.

It would depend why you voted Leave, mind.

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

Just finished in Hungarian immigration with 3 British employees. Registered all 3 in 20 minutes and that's it no matter what happens with Brexit.
Any paperwork changes will be handled by immigration office automatically and if I don't sack them in next 5 years they will automatically get permanent residency or earlier if they make the same mistake as me and marry a local
Can travel freely in eu alongside valid UK passport according to immigration office. All three registered for under a tenner.
Would add only possible before end of any transition period if there is one.
Hope UK reciprocates in such a similar fashion if it becomes necessary.

SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 26, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
He didn't say you weren't.

It would depend why you voted Leave, mind.

To create our own laws, not such a great Britain being bullied by the EU 24/7

shmmeee · Mar 26, 2019

tisza said:
1. Remain petition. Same email can only be used twice but obviously people can set up multiple one time accounts.
2. Analysis by Fullfact (who discredited leave arguments prereferendum) put Saturdays march numbers between 312-400k.

1. Leave petition. Same email can only be used twice but obviously people can set up multiple one time accounts.
2. Analysis by someone counting put the leave March numbers at 100 max.

Literally every desperate attempt to find a wiggle applies to both sides. It’s like moaning about the pitch.

shmmeee · Mar 26, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
To create our own laws, not such a great Britain being bullied by the EU 24/7

“Bullied”*

*a full member who has a veto

Free to do whatever we are told by the big trading blocks more like.

You’ve voted to make us weaker whatever you think you did that’s the truth. Treacherous is what it is. That’s why our biggest geopolitical enemy has their fingerprints all over it and the only people pushing it are international traders.

Anyone who still backs Brexit, especially no deal, is anti-British.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
So are people like me who voted to leave, not a 'decent' human being?

No. I said those with me were. Farage was talking about decent ordinary folk being leavers. Just pointing out that remainers are also decent people.

skybluetony176 · Mar 26, 2019

Just watching C4 news and it sounds like Rees-Mogg, Boris and other prominent brexiteers are backtracking and May’s deal isn’t worse than remain anymore. Running scared of Parliamentary sovereignty.

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Just watching C4 news and it sounds like Rees-Mogg, Boris and other prominent brexiteers are backtracking and May’s deal isn’t worse than remain anymore. Running scared of Parliamentary sovereignty.

The lying shysters. If it’s a terrible deal. It is a terrible deal. It cannot become ok just like that. The deal will be that May hands over the power to the right wingers. ERG will rule the UK. So much to democracy. The ERG wasn’t on the ballot paper at the GE.

skybluetony176 · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
The lying shysters. If it’s a terrible deal. It is a terrible deal. It cannot become ok just like that. The deal will be that May hands over the power to the right wingers. ERG will rule the UK. So much to democracy. The ERG wasn’t on the ballot paper at the GE.

That sounds like the case. Lots of talk apparently of her agreeing to step down as soon as her deal has passed and we’ve left in return for the ERG and others backing her deal. Depends on what happens tomorrow I think.

Grendel · Mar 26, 2019

martcov said:
The lying shysters. If it’s a terrible deal. It is a terrible deal. It cannot become ok just like that. The deal will be that May hands over the power to the right wingers. ERG will rule the UK. So much to democracy. The ERG wasn’t on the ballot paper at the GE.

Surely compromise from your original view is a sign of intelligence and acceptance.

80% of the electorate voted for parties committed to leave at the last election

Grendel · Mar 26, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Just watching C4 news and it sounds like Rees-Mogg, Boris and other prominent brexiteers are backtracking and May’s deal isn’t worse than remain anymore. Running scared of Parliamentary sovereignty.

Surely it’s an example if parliamentary sovereignty and at last an acknowledgment of the will of the people

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 26, 2019

Thought it was a remarkable statement from Jacob. Talk about blinking first

martcov · Mar 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Surely compromise from your original view is a sign of intelligence and acceptance.

80% of the electorate voted for parties committed to leave at the last election

They did not know what the deal would be. Maybe they wanted May‘s deal. Whatever happens they haven’t decided they like May‘s deal because May argued the case. They decided they’ll put up with it to get power. That’s mercenary.

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Just watching C4 news and it sounds like Rees-Mogg, Boris and other prominent brexiteers are backtracking and May’s deal isn’t worse than remain anymore. Running scared of Parliamentary sovereignty.

prefer politicians to stick to their principles if they have firm beliefs- whatever hue they maybe. hard to respect or trust politicians that won't stick to their guns. if you're genuinely firm leave or remain then stick with it.
if you're running scared because you look like losing at last minute how can you be trusted on the next important issue that comes along. Even more scary some of this group could still be in line to take over from May if she steps down, hardly inspiring that next person negotiating with EU is one that is known to back down at last minute.

tisza · Mar 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
1. Leave petition. Same email can only be used twice but obviously people can set up multiple one time accounts.
2. Analysis by someone counting put the leave March numbers at 100 max.

Literally every desperate attempt to find a wiggle applies to both sides. It’s like moaning about the pitch.

Kind of the point i'm making - media manipulation continuing from all sides.
1.Obviously some manipulation of Remain petition (know a quite a few expats here been signing when they're not allowed to) but when the overall numbers are this big slight irregularities aren't effecting the overall picture.
We had same nonsense over the Stop the War march. Organizers said 1,5m there at the time, later taken down to about 750k. So what 750k still a f%cking huge number.
If all 16m remainers had joined the March we'd have had cries of revolution and intimidation.
2.Seen more people on a Botham walk than the Leave march

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