What i find extraordinary is that we have Labour activists trying to replace so-called moderate MPs with what they term "corbynistas".So you think that Corbyn is the best the Labour party presently have? We are never going to win a GE if that is the case.
And I know that if I named anyone you would continue to have a go in his defence.
Your first sentence is spot on and the general public still don’t understand how difficult it is to leave. The likes of Davis and Fox should never have been involved
What i find extraordinary is that we have Labour activists trying to replace so-called moderate MPs with what they term "corbynistas".
When you try to adapt a party to its leader or an individual you're treading on thin ice - did we learn nothing from Thatcherism? Aren't we seeing atm how an extreme minority wing of a major party can try and hold the majority to ransom?
Jezza's embarassing brother. :facepalm:
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What i find extraordinary is that we have Labour activists trying to replace so-called moderate MPs with what they term "corbynistas".
When you try to adapt a party to its leader or an individual you're treading on thin ice - did we learn nothing from Thatcherism? Aren't we seeing atm how an extreme minority wing of a major party can try and hold the majority to ransom?
Your 1st sentence is the killer - "at the moment ". Exactly what many Leavers didn't like and many across Europe don't like. This wave of feeling that the ultimate goal of Brussels is a federal superstate.
so the doctor ends up doing nothing and the patient looks for 2nd/3rd etc opinions which is basically where your analogy takes us to now.
A part of the reason for it not going well for the Labour party is going in the opposite direction to the Tories in just about everything. The Tories are not doing everything wrong in the eyes of the voters. Just mainly the big things. But if Corbyn was wise or not happy to do anything with the sole aim of getting a chance to be PM he would do things differently. He could show he is a better selection than May. But sometimes he is more like a spoilt brat who hasn't got their own way.What i find extraordinary is that we have Labour activists trying to replace so-called moderate MPs with what they term "corbynistas".
When you try to adapt a party to its leader or an individual you're treading on thin ice - did we learn nothing from Thatcherism? Aren't we seeing atm how an extreme minority wing of a major party can try and hold the majority to ransom?
If you put it that way and it is what you want the best way forward is a no deal. Because if we continue with close ties with the EU we won't be able to make trade deals with anyone else.
A part of the reason for it not going well for the Labour party is going in the opposite direction to the Tories in just about everything. The Tories are not doing everything wrong in the eyes of the voters. Just mainly the big things. But if Corbyn was wise or not happy to do anything with the sole aim of getting a chance to be PM he would do things differently. He could show he is a better selection than May. But sometimes he is more like a spoilt brat who hasn't got their own way.
I guarantee you that a lot of the people who slate Corbyn haven't a clue what he policies are or why they disagree with them.
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Like any left wing party, when the policies are shown to voters without a party name attached they are very very popular.
It’s no coincidence that UKIP, the only populist party we have, is split between the party elite like Farage who are free market zealots and the membership who are socially conservative and economically progressive.
Labours biggest issue with the public is being too socially liberal generally.
want to check Dutch elections yesterday or opinion polls for this May's elections. Natural checks and balances.“Feelings” eh?
Glad we’re not driving the country off the cliff on something spurious.
UKIP's level of support at last GE showed what people thought of their politics once they moved from basically a single issue party to a far right agenda 1.8% of votes cast.Like any left wing party, when the policies are shown to voters without a party name attached they are very very popular.
It’s no coincidence that UKIP, the only populist party we have, is split between the party elite like Farage who are free market zealots and the membership who are socially conservative and economically progressive.
Labours biggest issue with the public is being too socially liberal generally.
What i find extraordinary is that we have Labour activists trying to replace so-called moderate MPs with what they term "corbynistas".
When you try to adapt a party to its leader or an individual you're treading on thin ice - did we learn nothing from Thatcherism? Aren't we seeing atm how an extreme minority wing of a major party can try and hold the majority to ransom?
So you think that Corbyn is the best the Labour party presently have? We are never going to win a GE if that is the case.
And I know that if I named anyone you would continue to have a go in his defence.
Stop sounding ridiculous - you sound like that deranged Tory MP (sorry ex Tory MP) whose always using stupid medical analogies
What i find extraordinary is that we have Labour activists trying to replace so-called moderate MPs with what they term "corbynistas".
When you try to adapt a party to its leader or an individual you're treading on thin ice - did we learn nothing from Thatcherism? Aren't we seeing atm how an extreme minority wing of a major party can try and hold the majority to ransom?
The EU had red lines too. That's how 'negotiate' a deal works. If there is no overlap at all between them - then negotiation, as we appear to be seeing from this fiasco, is pointlessWho drew the red lines? This is the only deal within those red lines. Change the red lines and get a deal that is acceptable to our sovereign parliament. That’s sovereignty in action. May has continually tried to deny the country that sovereignty, no one else.
UKIP's level of support at last GE showed what people thought of their politics once they moved from basically a single issue party to a far right agenda 1.8% of votes cast.
I'd like to see some data about these polls that show how popular they are but aren't so much when voters are told they belong to the Labour Party.
Why is it people like the policies but not the party? Surely good policies is what swings votes. The current UK swing vote is around 40% and on a steady increase. It's certainly what helped put New Labour in.
what do you mean by "socially liberal" or is it the American "socially liberal, fiscally conservative"?
This is what will hold labour back when moderates/blairites etc are referred to as Tories. When the left attacks its middle or the right attacks its middle it breeds mistrust in large numbers of swing voters.When you say moderate - do you mean Tories? Labour MP's abstaining on austerity, supporting cruel and unnecessary welfare sanctions and voting to support a wholly illegal war is not in keeping with the party ethos and it's intrinsic values. You only have to listen to the drivel spouted by the defecting MP's to TIG to know that Labour values are virtually non-existent in their worlds.
Whether you agree with that vision or not, at least Labour is finally moving away from trying to be like the Conservatives after being dragged there by Blair. Now whether that moves them closer to being electable is another argument.
Googled it can't find one. Give me a clue of an independent poll that has the dataJust search for the polls yourself. How many times must the role of perception and spin be pointed out?
And I don't?I want to remain. I want close trading ties with our closest neighbours. The whole thing is madness.
Second best is being in the customs union, because no amount of trade deals with fucking Timbuktu will make up for the size of the lost market.
Waaaaaaay down the list is a no deal that makes us butt buddies to the US and china.
So you're saying Corbyn is hard left?3 hard left Labour policies
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Googled it can't find one. Give me a clue of an independent poll that has the data
So you're saying Corbyn is hard left?
I'm talking about the culture of any political party being adapted to its leader - thatcherite, blairite, corbynista
Doctors never carry out procedures to cause harm. They offer a procedure it the potential benefit outweighs the potential risk to the patient. Their desired outcome is a better overall quality of life...so maybe not such a bad analogy. That could be what the leavers perceive they are going to get. Now I am sure many remainers will condescendingly argue their perception was based on a tissue of lies. But as it happens, they only offered a different tissue of lies themselves.Let’s think about it as a choice between two procedures. The patient insists on one which will cause more harm, despite the doctor’s efforts. Does the doctor go ahead or refuse for the patient’s benefit?
And I guarantee that a lot of people don't care what he has done in the past or won't care in the future and will still vote for him.I guarantee you that a lot of the people who slate Corbyn haven't a clue what he policies are or why they disagree with them.
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You go privateAnd when every Dr apart from this guy says no?
Of course you do.No I’m saying let’s have that debate when you give me the names. Until I’m blue in the face: I care about policy more than people.
Exactly. Popular policies that are clearly marked as Corbyns.
I guarantee that a lot of the people that support Corbyn haven't a clue what his policies (today) are or why they agree with them...other than to keep/get the Tories outI guarantee you that a lot of the people who slate Corbyn haven't a clue what he policies are or why they disagree with them.
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Your 1st sentence is the killer - "at the moment ". Exactly what many Leavers didn't like and many across Europe don't like. This wave of feeling that the ultimate goal of Brussels is a federal superstate.
Remind me what the U in USSR stands for?
And I guarantee that a lot of people don't care what he has done in the past or won't care in the future and will still vote for him.
You seem to be missing the point of the floating voters. What has he done to get their votes? Put that against what he has done to lose their votes. Look at the replies on this thread last night. And that was from Labour voters.
But of course as usual I suppose I am wrong.
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