Brighton Sky Blue
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The truth hurts dude. You tell me what people are when they don't vote for policies they want, do vote for policies they don't want and that will hurt them, then fall for bollocks in the press
You should be writing manifestos. Calling the electorate thick is a surefire winner.
Simplistic surely. Every party has popular and unpopular policies. Much the same as some misguided Brexiteers you can't cherry pick policiesThe truth hurts dude. You tell me what people are when they don't vote for policies they want, do vote for policies they don't want and that will hurt them, then fall for bollocks in the press
Key word is bilateral. What about all the others opinions ?View attachment 11792 I still wouldn’t have walked out though.
Surely the lesson from 2017 is that manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on.See the Conservative manifesto of GE 2017. He has a point.
Key word is bilateral. What about all the others opinions ?
Surely the lesson from 2017 is that manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Simplistic surely. Every party has popular and unpopular policies. Much the same as some misguided Brexiteers you can't cherry pick policies
Noticed the landslide. Given the quality and popularity of the policies any particular reason they didn't win?Only the Tory one, the Labour one will probably remain largely intact in a future election, such was the quality and popularity of its polices.
Noticed the landslide. Given the quality and popularity of the policies any particular reason they didn't win?
Piece on BBC news channel saying they've had researchers going through social media to find a single piece of support for the car crash speech.
Nearly an hour gone and haven't found one yet.
Problem with this old vs young (or experience vs idealism) is that young people get older and the process continues in a vicious circle.Because as Brighton just said, you have a long history of influence through written media that is still impacting on decision making of voters. Luckily this is decreasing with the advent of social media, and access to information online. You also have to look at the demographics of constituencies, particularly in relation to age. Older people are ‘generally’ less supportive of Labour policies with younger people ‘generally’ more supportive. Factor in the probability of voting in relation to age and you have what occurred. Even if Corbyn came to power at the next GE, it is unlikely that Lab would hold a majority - the Scotland losses in 2010 have put paid to that for the foreseeable future. The Tories will probably never drop below 200 MP’s even at their worst.
Yep just updated the story and still can't find any relevant support for the speech.People are paid to scroll through Twatter?
Problem with this old vs young (or experience vs idealism) is that young people get older and the process continues in a vicious circle.
Neutral polls still have minority support for a 2nd referendum. Most popular opinion atm is just to get it over with quickly.Interestingly she claims there is no popular support for another referendum-polls show the opposite and by convincing margins.
Yep just updated the story and still can't find any relevant support for the speech.
True, but I think this will start to shift over the next few years, thanks to social media and dwindling press influence. You will always have the tribal element of politics which is why we will always 2 parties taking most of the electorate.Problem with this old vs young (or experience vs idealism) is that young people get older and the process continues in a vicious circle.
Trend has been as young grow up and get jobs, start families they move from idealism to pragmatism in their voting choices. Buying council houses was a good example of this. Swapping the principle of housing for all to becoming home owners.Yes, experience of voting for parties that shaft you because the lady or gentleman had a nice accent. Information is much more widely available than it was before. Suspect that my generation and the ones to follow will buck the trend
Neutral polls still have minority support for a 2nd referendum. Most popular opinion atm is just to get it over with quickly.
Trend has been as young grow up and get jobs, start families they move from idealism to pragmatism in their voting choices. Buying council houses was a good example of this. Swapping the principle of housing for all to becoming home owners.
Education becomes a key issue for those that have kids as to those that don't.
As far as accents etc. goes surely increased social media will make those that speak well, look good even more appealing? Let's be honest social media currently more noted for its shallowness than its seriousness.
Not straight forward. Would take us past EU elections.There is a relatively large % of don't know, but it's even gaining traction with some Leave voters. Would be a very straightforward solution
Not straight forward. Would take us past EU elections.
Don't knows are dangerous as they swayed last referendum in late stages. EU would want a much clearer picture of referendum outcome. Another leave vote still doesn't make things that much clearer as Parliament still wouldn’t have a consensus exit strategy.
EU don't want UK mps in eu parliament as already fighting enough issues with rising nationalism in other EU countries. Another 30/40 UK mps not committed to EU principles a headache they don't want.
EU still looking over their shoulders at Greece and Italy and similar levels of EU dissatisfaction as preBrexit UK.
No - more a case of the true value of sovereignty as an EU member stateAhhh. I see the way it’s going with leavers. If we don’t leave without a deal at the end of the month it’s sovereignties fault. If we’re forced to leave without a deal at the end of the month it’s the EU’s fault. Leave take no responsibility for the vote.
Nice try but you're weakly arguing from a UK point of view.May's deal or a.n.other most popular Leave option versus Remain. Binding so that Parliament must go with whatever wins. UK elections for the parliament could be deferred until the second vote and wouldn't be needed if Leave won.
For a political genius these are some weak sauce arguments
No - more a case of the true value of sovereignty as an EU member state
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think today's opinion poll mentioned above clearly shows who would get the blame for any mess -EU on about 7% without rechecking it.Ahhh. I see the way it’s going with leavers. If we don’t leave without a deal at the end of the month it’s sovereignties fault. If we’re forced to leave without a deal at the end of the month it’s the EU’s fault. Leave take no responsibility for the vote.
Thst isn't the case. Our sovereign parliament has chosen not to leave without a deal. They have rejected what is apparently the only deal the EU will agree with us. We are not in control of the EU saying 'no' to an extensiin, 'no' to renengaging negotiations to get an acceptable deal, nor them saying 'you are out 29/3/19 - end of'We're always in control of whether we choose to leave the EU without a deal.
Nice try but you're weakly arguing from a UK point of view.
European view is they want it done as they need to move on. Not prepared to change their election laws to accommodate something that isn't even guaranteed. Would almost certainly be vetoed by a number of EU states. They aren't going to leave their Parliament in limbo whilst waiting for the outcome. UK seats already been reallocated for may elections. Would again be a legal challenge from within Europe from any number of sides which wouldn't be resolved quickly and so you'd have a lame duck Parliament. There's too many seats at stake with how close the predicted voting blocks are going to be.
You've got 3 options so if Remain gets 40% and the other 2 leave get 30% what do you propose? Surely can't be remain if the total leave vote is 60%.
More leave options you put up the greater the chance of them being chosen as people start cherry picking again.
Another popular leave deal isn't even on the European table as it hasn't even been negotiated yet.
Highly unlikely Parliament is going to pass a bill even trying to make a referendum legally binding as goes directly against the precedent of Parliamentary sovereignty.
Wonder which way you wlll wriggle next?That’s exactly what I said. Everyone else’s fault.
Thst isn't the case. Our sovereign parliament has chosen not to leave without a deal. They have rejected what is apparently the only deal the EU will agree with us. We are not in control of the EU saying 'no' to an extensiin, 'no' to renengaging negotiations to get an acceptable deal, nor them saying 'you are out 29/3/19 - end of'
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