Astute
Well-Known Member
More like you refuse to consider anything except for what you want.
Another referendum .
Labour and Corbyn to take over from the Tories.
More like you refuse to consider anything except for what you want.Nonsense. You’re the one defending your MP saying he was pushed out of the Labour Party. That is a lie. He resigned the whip because he was being investigated for an alleged sexual harassment of a colleague.
Nonsense. You’re the one defending your MP saying he was pushed out of the Labour Party. That is a lie. He resigned the whip because he was being investigated for an alleged sexual harassment of a colleague.
More like you refuse to consider anything except for what you want.
Another referendum .
Labour and Corbyn to take over from the Tories.
Well I’m sure that’s a reason many people have “resigned” from despot parties that are headed by a deeply unpleasant person across the globe.
Back on track. May is just moving the seats around on the titanic isn’t she?
She’s gonna lose by 230 votes again. Does she not have advisers?
You really need to look up the words ‘Stalinist’ and ‘despot’ in the Oxford dictionary.
You really need to look up the words ‘Stalinist’ and ‘despot’ in the Oxford dictionary.
And 4. Reich, Roman Empire, EUSSR, slobbering and dribbling.
Mr Corbyns sibling recently talked about the Eu and Germany as being the 4th Reich did he not?
With respect you have no idea if the revulsion people felt towards Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott when they were siding with sworn enemies of this country.
No idea. I think most Germans just roll their eyes when people say that. The sheer lack of knowledge or pure stupidity that that implies.
Sure thing, just a measly 40% of the electorate voted for the party those three represent.
Really? Will Hutton and many EU supporters in the uk think it as well
Every post from you was why you think we should have another referendum. It wasn't that you think we would have one.Actually, I said from the beginning that a second referendum will be the outcome of this Parliamentary deadlock. This is starting to become a consensus with William Hague coming out and stating he believes this happen too. No deal looks like it will pass, no deal is looking like it will be blocked and Theresa May has refused to extend Article 50 nor have another general election. What else can be done?
My support for a referendum is immaterial here. I’ve looked at what I perceive to be a likely outcome and shared my opinion on that.
I’m a Labour member and voter, of course I want a Labour government. I don’t really care who is leader. That’s pretty damn obvious. Theresa May staying on as PM in this context is actually an unprecedented and in usual circumstances a GE would’ve been called.
I appreciate it must be difficult hearing the allegations against your MP who you seem to be fond of. However, if we’re honest here, he left the party over the investigation into his alleged behaviour. I don’t know if he’s guilty and I sincerely hope he’s not. You saying your MP left/pushed out by a Corbyn purge is simply not true. My political leavings have no impact on that.
We know. But at least we still let you have a say.Plenty of stupid people around.
Of course as ignorant children like you follow the Pied Piper
Every post from you was why you think we should have another referendum. It wasn't that you think we would have one.
Your posts leave everyone without any doubt what you want. And you don't care what you say against anyone if they don't agree with you. You ignore all evidence and thoughts against what you want.
But you don't care about anyone or anything else. I would love to have a debate with you but it is impossible.Good, I’m glad my arguments are clear!
I do want a second referendum, and I want a Labour government.
In my first contribution to this thread (12th Dec) I said ‘this is going to have to be settled at the ballot box again’ and ‘it’s doubtful that any agreement will be passed in Parliament’. That is stating what I think will happen and why I think a second ref will happen.
I’m the ignorant one, yet you didn’t know that Parliamentary legislation became law after it was passed. With respect, that’s something 16-17 year old ‘children’ get taught in week one of a Government & Politics A-Level, possibly even younger if they studied it at GCSE.
Ignorance is not accepting people believe in different things to yourself.
I haven’t attacked anyone for holding different views to me, whether they support Brexit or not, or if they support another political party. We all have our reasons for holding our political views.
Parliamentary legislation cannot become law if it doesn’t meet EU legislation unless we elect to leave the EU which is the only reason I bought the death penalty argument forward
I do wonder if you are a parody account
I see that more companies are now moving their HQs of the UK...was this part of the big Brexit plan?
I see that more companies are now moving their HQs of the UK...was this part of the big Brexit plan?
P&O dropping U.K. flags in favour of Cypriot flags, Sony moving their European HQ to Holland and Brexit backer Mr Dyson not backing the U.K. in his latest round of moving his operation to Asia. He can’t have much left in the U.K. now, might have to start looking for a new supplier for my next vacuum cleaner.
For those at the top of the pyramid absolutelyI see that more companies are now moving their HQs of the UK...was this part of the big Brexit plan?
Parliamentary legislation cannot become law if it doesn’t meet EU legislation unless we elect to leave the EU which is the only reason I bought the death penalty argument forward
I do wonder if you are a parody account
You’re fundamentally wrong here. I’m going to teach you how to piss in a pot. This is the process of how laws are made in the UK:
Bills are introduced, there’s 3 readings before it’s put to a vote. If there’s a majority in the Commons, it goes to the Lords and if both houses approve, it’s sent to the current monarch for Royal Assent. Then, that bill becomes an Act of Parliament and becomes a law. In this process, where does the EU step in?
The EU doesn’t have a mechanism where it can block legislation from a member state if it breaks EU law. A current example of this is Hungary’s ‘Soros Law’ which bans people/organisations helping asylum seekers. They passed that in defiance of the EU, and the EU has responded by invoking Article 7. The process of which the EU uses to sanction member states who ‘persistently’ break the EU’s values. It’s not clear what actually happens here because this is an unprecedented situation — but it doesn’t seem like they would be ‘kicked out’ of the EU, rather, they’ll have some rights stripped off them, theoretically.
So, your example of the death penalty, the British Parliament could pass that legislation and it would become law. The EU could not stop that process, they can ‘condemn’ the legislation, but that’s it. Then, once it becomes law they would take action to sanction the UK. Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement to join the EU, but there’s no mechanism to physically block a move to bring it back once a state has joined the EU. The claim that British legislation needs EU approval is not true and the example of Hungary demonstrates this clearly.
Eu legislation supersedes a member countries laws and their regulations are binding so the uk cannot enforce legislation that breaches EU legislation
You are talking tripe. Go and rewrite your essay - you actually are pretty clueless on everything
I know how legislation works - I hardly need a lesson from someone who thinks Eu legislation is not binding
Christ
That is a very broad statement.Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
I didn’t say EU law and legislation was not legally binding. You’ve moved the goal posts. The debate isn’t whether or not the EU’s laws are binding, the question is can the UK make it’s own laws that contradict the EU’s. The answer to that is yes, it can.
You made a false claim that the UK can’t pass laws that contradict EU laws.
What you have to realise is that the EU has made these rules and regulations.
The EU started about 25 years ago. Helped shape? A bunch of nobodies decide what the rules are going to be and we nod our heads. When we go against them we get ignored.The same EU that the UK has been part of for decades and helped shape into what it is today?
The EU started about 25 years ago. Helped shape? A bunch of nobodies decide what the rules are going to be and we nod our heads. When we go against them we get ignored.
But I suppose it sounds good.
...until it needs a trade deal...Despite you trying to claim the UK is a weak and passive head nodding country, it simply isn’t true.
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