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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Johnnythespider

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  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,471
SIR ERNIE said:
It's their leader that makes them unelectable.
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To you
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,472
SIR ERNIE said:
No chance. People have seen through him now.
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But you could say the same of any political party, any politician and any political ideology currently in circulation. That’s a huge equaliser and for that reason alone it would be naive to write anyone anyone off.

Just to add I think that the next government will be either another minority government with an agreement with a minority party or a coalition. That again levels the playing field and Labour will no doubt be a senior partner in any of those two scenarios.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,473
Astute said:
The EU said workers from another country could be taken on with a lower wage than those they work alongside. Now this is what you get....

Laval, Viking Line and the Limited Right to Strike | ELA

If you want to disagree I will put up the sane evidence as before that stopped you from posting on the matter. Off to bed for a couple of hours. Then I will see if you remember the last time you disagreed or not.
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Latest update on this subject:

„On 20 March 2018, the European Parliament and the Council reached agreement on the revision of the posting of workers directive. This agreement was subsequently endorsed by the European parliament on 29 May 2018 and on 21 June 2018 by the Council. The main objectives of the adopted Directive include a ‘social legal base’. Article 1 of the Directive was amended to reflect that the Directive is about the protection of workers in the context of the provision of services. This is to ensure that the rights granted by the Charter of Fundamental Rights can in no way be undermined by the Directive and to strengthen the position of workers in possible court cases. „
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,474
Maybe it’s alreary been mentioned but I see Johnson has embarrassed himself, yet again.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,475
Sick Boy said:
Maybe it’s alreary been mentioned but I see Johnson has embarrassed himself, yet again.
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the man is a shameless liar. Off the scale dishonesty, I know politicians have a reputation for lying but he's in a league of his own.
 
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Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,476
Grendel said:
A poll out today shows her rating a massive 16 points ahead of Corbyn and the Tories taking a 5 point lead over labour
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That's just indictacative of how irrelevant Labour and Corbyn really have become and should not be seen as a favourable poll for May.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,477
clint van damme said:
the man is a shameless liar. Off the scale dishonesty, I know politicians have a reputation for lying but he's in a league of his own.
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He mentioned helping African farmers through Brexit. 1. there are no tariffs on the 50 poorest nations 2. what about our farmers 3. if the Africans do export their crops to us, where do the African poor buy their food? Do I think BoJo is interested in African farmers? No. He is just trying to make the Brexit mess seem charitable. He confidently predicts the UK will prosper. Any evidence? No.
 

Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,478
martcov said:
He mentioned helping African farmers through Brexit. 1. there are no tariffs on the 50 poorest nations 2. what about our farmers 3. if the Africans do export their crops to us, where do the African poor buy their food? Do I think BoJo is interested in African farmers? No. He is just trying to make the Brexit mess seem charitable. He confidently predicts the UK will prosper. Any evidence? No.
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Conversely do you have evidence that it would not prosper?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,479
SIR ERNIE said:
No chance. People have seen through him now.
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Would you say people have seen through BoJo, Davis , Gove and Rees Mogg? Or haven’t they twigged what’s going on yet?
 

Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,480
Question: Who can hold their hand up and say they have read all 500+ pages of the agreement that May has called the best deal possible?
I made a point to do so. Did any of you?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,481
Paxman II said:
That's just indictacative of how irrelevant Labour and Corbyn really have become and should not be seen as a favourable poll for May.
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Just like last time eh
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,482
Paxman II said:
Conversely do you have evidence that it would not prosper?
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Yes. The preparations that we are taking for a cock up. The extra red tape and controls. The weak hand we have in trade negotiations as a distressed trading partner. The lack of products we could sell much more of in a FTA with the USA. The lack of competitiveness with the USA agriculture industry which has lower standards and massive quantities of farm land ( which don’t on our small island).the drop in attractiveness of the City of London which will come because we are no longer the financial centre of the EU ( yes, I know we are a world centre, but we will not grow as fast as we would have when we were making the input into the financial rules of the EU ). The potential drop of the pound which will make imported components for our industry more expensive and create inflation. The possible effects of our damaged image. The outsourcing to the EU of famous U.K. brands to avoid regulatory differences. THe lack of a flexible work force on the low skilled sectors. The brain drain as we lose our standing in the science world as scientists opt for European countries. The possibility of loss of workers rights or the avoidance of stricter EU tax evasion regulations which come into force this year, which will not help millions of UK citizens to prosper. The increase of vacancies in the health services which lower the quality of care for the large number of elderly patients clogging our hospitals and care homes. Lack of construction workers which will slow the construction industry.

But, we will have French made blue passports and fish that we can no longer process and export at competitive prices to the EU.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,483
martcov said:
Would you say people have seen through BoJo, Davis , Gove and Rees Mogg? Or haven’t they twigged what’s going on yet?
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Rees mogg and Johnson are irrelevant, Davis heading towards the knackers yard and it’s very unlikely Gove will be anywhere near power
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,484
Paxman II said:
Question: Who can hold their hand up and say they have read all 500+ pages of the agreement that May has called the best deal possible?
I made a point to do so. Did any of you?
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I didn’t because I know that it won’t be better than being in the CU and SM and being a major power in the EU.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,485
martcov said:
Yes. The preparations that we are taking for a cock up. The extra red tape and controls. The weak hand we have in trade negotiations as a distressed trading partner. The lack of products we could sell much more of in a FTA with the USA. The lack of competitiveness with the USA agriculture industry which has lower standards and massive quantities of farm land ( which don’t on our small island).the drop in attractiveness of the City of London which will come because we are no longer the financial centre of the EU ( yes, I know we are a world centre, but we will not grow as fast as we would have when we were making the input into the financial rules of the EU ). The potential drop of the pound which will make imported components for our industry more expensive and create inflation. The possible effects of our damaged image. The outsourcing to the EU of famous U.K. brands to avoid regulatory differences. THe lack of a flexible work force on the low skilled sectors. The brain drain as we lose our standing in the science world as scientists opt for European countries. The possibility of loss of workers rights or the avoidance of stricter EU tax evasion regulations which come into force this year, which will not help millions of UK citizens to prosper. The increase of vacancies in the health services which lower the quality of care for the large number of elderly patients clogging our hospitals and care homes. Lack of construction workers which will slow the construction industry.

But, we will have French made blue passports and fish that we can no longer process and export at competitive prices to the EU.
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No evidence just wheeze bag rhetoric
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,486
martcov said:
I didn’t because I know that it won’t be better than being in the CU and SM and being a major power in the EU.
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A major power lol
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,487
Grendel said:
Rees mogg and Johnson are irrelevant, Davis heading towards the knackers yard and it’s very unlikely Gove will be anywhere near power
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That wasn’t an answer to the question I asked. Some people still have wet dreams over BoJos statements and speeches. I would trust Corbyn more than the previously mentioned charlatans. I am not a fan though.... unless he gets us a second vote on the disaster.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,488
martcov said:
That wasn’t an answer to the question I asked. Some people still have wet dreams over BoJos statements and speeches. I would trust Corbyn more than the previously mentioned charlatans. I am not a fan though.... unless he gets us a second vote on the disaster.
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No one cares less what Johnson says he’s a laughing stock
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,489
Grendel said:
A major power lol
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Well we are. Leavers say we are. I say we are in the top three in Europe. Had we had a different government to the Tories and had we not wasted a chunk of our MEP allocation on useless counter productive UKIP tossers, we would have a leader in Europe. Being out of the Euro marginalised is a bit as well.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,490
martcov said:
Well we are. Leavers say we are. I say we are in the top three in Europe. Had we had a different government to the Tories and had we not wasted a chunk of our MEP allocation on useless counter productive UKIP tossers, we would have a leader in Europe. Being out of the Euro marginalised is a bit as well.
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Utter tripe
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,491
Grendel said:
No one cares less what Johnson says he’s a laughing stock
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He is relaunching himself and saying things that please his base even talking about the deep state recently. Now where did he pull that term out of? Who pushes that line?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,492
Paxman II said:
Question: Who can hold their hand up and say they have read all 500+ pages of the agreement that May has called the best deal possible?
I made a point to do so. Did any of you?
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Grendel

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  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,493
martcov said:
He is relaunching himself and saying things that please his base even talking about the deep state recently. Now where did he pull that term out of? Who pushes that line?
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I repeat no one takes him seriously - he’s the uk version of Junker a drunken laughing stock
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,494
Grendel said:
Utter tripe
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Do you think being out of the Euro increased our influence?
Do you think UKIP used their seats to make the UK more powerful in the EU?
Do you think the world‘s 5th largest economy isn’t a major player?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,495
Grendel said:
I repeat no one takes him seriously - he’s the uk version of Junker a drunken laughing stock
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I’d place Juncker as much cleverer than our resident buffoon.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,496
martcov said:
Do you think being out of the Euro increased our influence?
Do you think UKIP used their seats to make the UK more powerful in the EU?
Do you think the world‘s 5th largest economy isn’t a major player?
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Being out of the Euro saved the country from oblivion and allowed us to reap huge prosperity for well over a decade. If you can’t understand that I can’t be bothered with you.

Ukip were elected under your preferred election system - go figure

Being the 5th largest economy means nothing in the cosy club of Brussels
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,497
Grendel said:
No evidence just wheeze bag rhetoric
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Deny it and it will go away.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,498
martcov said:
I’d place Juncker as much cleverer than our resident buffoon.
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I wouldn’t
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,499
Grendel said:
Being out of the Euro saved the country from oblivion and allowed us to reap huge prosperity for well over a decade. If you can’t understand that I can’t be bothered with you.

Ukip were elected under your preferred election system - go figure

Being the 5th largest economy means nothing in the cosy club of Brussels
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No. Dealing with the crisis in 2008 saved the day. UKIP had the mandate to represent the UK in the EU and failed miserably. The result is the mess we are in.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,500
Grendel said:
I wouldn’t
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No, I don’t suppose you would.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,501
Grendel said:
Being out of the Euro saved the country from oblivion and allowed us to reap huge prosperity for well over a decade. If you can’t understand that I can’t be bothered with you.

Ukip were elected under your preferred election system - go figure

Being the 5th largest economy means nothing in the cosy club of Brussels
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The influx of labour under FOM also helped the UK economy massively. You won’t be mentioning that though.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,502
Boris Johnson digs into the Donald Trump playbook


Boris Johnson under attack over Turkey claim
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,503
Hahaha ‘wheeze bag rhetoric’ gave me a good chuckle that did. Cheers.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,504
SIR ERNIE said:
It's their leader that makes them unelectable.
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You keep telling yourself that myth...
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2019
  • #29,505
Paxman II said:
That's just indictacative of how irrelevant Labour and Corbyn really have become and should not be seen as a favourable poll for May.
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As I explained to Grendel - it’s an outlier compared to every other organisation that has Lab level or ahead. Still You Gov have a story to tell I suppose and Grendel laps it up!
 
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