No way will May call an election unless she is left with no choice. She has a few years left as PM if needed and won't be PM after Brexit is sorted one way or another. Then it will be down to the next Tory leader to take them to the next GE.Some polls are saying very different things with a few polls having Labour ahead by 1-2%, others having them neck and neck with YouGov having the Tories up by 4%. There's some analysis that suggests Labour would gain around 23 seats from the Conservatives but lose 4 to the SNP in Scotland and the Lib Dems would gain 4 from the Tories - leaving the Tories on about 290 seats and Labour on 280-odd seats. These aren't ironclad by any means since the UK system usually isn't so indecisive and manifestos haven't been published nor campaigning started, but it's an interesting insight.
Theresa May will call an election if she thinks the Tories can regain their majority.
There is no evidence Mr Vaz ever tied anyone up.Not unless you want to find a bag of coke and a tied up rent boy in the boot.
Some vote for policies. Some vote for the one they see as the best leader. To me the leader of Labour let's them down.It very much is down to what you perceive as leadership. Some people see leadership as fist shaking, soundbites and fancy suits. Some people see leadership as having a vision of how you will make the country a better place.
Take the election, Labour's manifesto was on how to improve the country, make it fairer. The Tory one had nothing, and their campaign was solely 'don't pick them you'll get chaos'
I know which one I see as real leadership.
No way will May call an election unless she is left with no choice. She has a few years left as PM if needed and won't be PM after Brexit is sorted one way or another. Then it will be down to the next Tory leader to take them to the next GE.
This country could be choosing between ice cream and a punch in the face and the polls would still be
40% - Ice Cream
40% - Punch in the face
11% - Don't know
9% - Lib Dem
To me he is trying to stay in the background and not say anything to upset any voters. But this is the time he should be ripping May to bits. He should be telling her what she should be doing. That is what a strong leader would do.Serious question.
Do we think there will be "Brexit" and "Remain" firms that will meet up for scraps?
On another note, Corbyn seems like a sly bastard to me. All MPs are but something about him. The sort who would come to save you after being mugged but take your wallet and keys.
Is the car still for sale? Asking for a friend...Not unless you want to find a bag of coke and a tied up rent boy in the boot.
Think you have overestimated the Lib Dem vote.This country could be choosing between ice cream and a punch in the face and the polls would still be
40% - Ice Cream
40% - Punch in the face
11% - Don't know
9% - Lib Dem
And it will fail. He is trying to get turkeys to vote for Christmas.Funnily enough, that is the strategy of the Labour to force an election...
And it will fail. He is trying to get turkeys to vote for Christmas.
Chocolate and cream surprise.What flavour Ice Cream?
Not necessarily, the legal default at this moment is a no deal Brexit and with no Parliamentary majority for an alternative, it could push Tory MPs to do the unthinkable. Parliament is completely paralysed and something needs to budge.
Not necessarily, the legal default at this moment is a no deal Brexit and with no Parliamentary majority for an alternative, it could push Tory MPs to do the unthinkable. Parliament is completely paralysed and something needs to budge.
To me he is trying to stay in the background and not say anything to upset any voters. But this is the time he should be ripping May to bits. He should be telling her what she should be doing. That is what a strong leader would do.
Mucca - I refer you to my earlier email. This isn't "the Tories MPs" doing the unthinkable....its parliament
"Haha, not well ! however, its exactly the point though Tony. The withdrawal agreement, for all its faults, would have ensured No Deal didn't happen. The next stage of the discussions (as Ive said before) would have involved a trade agreement, which considering the backstop issues may have ended with some type of permanent customs union....so basically the giving the opposition parties the two things they are now all pushing for ! (taking no deal off the table and a potential CU)
So basically Corbyn and Labour could have taken No Deal off the table earlier in the week by voting in favour with, for example, a proposed amendment for the government to prioritise a CU arrangement ahead of entering the backstop. It would have weakened our negotiating position, which I wouldn't have liked, and may not have been voted through, but would have at least been a sensible proposal by the opposition.
To busy trying to force a GE though !"
It wouldn't take a decade to leave if we wanted it that badly. And for starters we would need those running the country to want to leave.
Project fear from both sides? Would you like to point out where I have said something different? I am not the one who is so biased that I don't care what rubbish I come out with.
The problem is that if I say something you agree with or looks good for remain you never make a comment. As soon as I say something that doesn't look good for remain in any way you are straight on it. The only thing that would make you slightly happier is if every time I said something that doesn't look good for remain I also say something that doesn't look good for leave in the same sentence. Just like where you have commented here.
Over 100 Tory MP's have already voted against it. That is a massive swing needed. It isn't going to happen.Not necessarily, the legal default at this moment is a no deal Brexit and with no Parliamentary majority for an alternative, it could push Tory MPs to do the unthinkable. Parliament is completely paralysed and something needs to budge.
He seems to want to become PM more than anything. And it was obvious that the vote of no confidence on the Tory government was going to fail. He would have known that.he instigated the first ever vote of no confidence in a sitting government, I would say that's pretty damning of the government.
He has told May in no uncertain terms he wants no deal off the table before he will talk to her, that is strong leadership by your definition.
May won't get it through. To many MP's don't want Brexit to happen. But not enough want to put their name to another referendum. This is why they should all forget about which party they are aligned to. Because it isn't a party policy thing. If they did that then I could see another referendum. Otherwise not at all.Let's not forget the 118 rebels from the Conservative party and the 10 DUP MPs who voted against the deal. The deal isn't an acceptable one to Parliament and that's why there was opposition across the political spectrum. The amendments were moved (1 Tory, PC and SNP as well as the Labour one) so there could be a clean vote on May's deal. Why? This is because of an amendment to the deal would have to be agreed by the EU and the deal renegotiated, which would have to come back to a Parliament for another vote anyway.
The Government presented its deal or no deal to play politics with Brexit, that's undeniable. Since Labour want an election, they probably won't cooperate until there is absolutely zero chance of another GE being called. All sides are playing politics over Brexit and any attempt to slander the other for being 'self-interested' is disingenuous.
Yes, Labour is playing politics to get the election it wants. Yes, the Government is playing politics to get its deal through. Yes, the SNP, LD, PC and Greens are all playing politics to get a second referendum. No one is above self-interest.
Yes when I agree with them. Nothing like yourself when it only has to be anything about remaining. But you only want to consider one side of the story.You should offer your expertise then.
I didn’t say you had said something different.
It’s weird you never pull up any leavers comments, instead you seem to spend your time liking their posts - haha
Let's not forget the 118 rebels from the Conservative party and the 10 DUP MPs who voted against the deal. The deal isn't an acceptable one to Parliament and that's why there was opposition across the political spectrum. The amendments were moved (1 Tory, PC and SNP as well as the Labour one) so there could be a clean vote on May's deal. Why? This is because of an amendment to the deal would have to be agreed by the EU and the deal renegotiated, which would have to come back to a Parliament for another vote anyway.
The Government presented its deal or no deal to play politics with Brexit, that's undeniable. Since Labour want an election, they probably won't cooperate until there is absolutely zero chance of another GE being called. All sides are playing politics over Brexit and any attempt to slander the other for being 'self-interested' is disingenuous.
Yes, Labour is playing politics to get the election it wants. Yes, the Government is playing politics to get its deal through. Yes, the SNP, LD, PC and Greens are all playing politics to get a second referendum. No one is above self-interest.
He seems to want to become PM more than anything. And it was obvious that the vote of no confidence on the Tory government was going to fail. He would have known that.
Over 100 Tory MP's have already voted against it. That is a massive swing needed. It isn't going to happen.
Over 100 Tory MP's have already voted against it. That is a massive swing needed. It isn't going to happen.
That’s why I said ‘it’s parliament’.
But as I also said if Labour (and the opposition parties) wanted a No deal off the table they had the opportunity. A significant number of tories that voted against were ERG and would like a No deal (bizarrely). They aren’t the ones now asking for it to be taken off the table though
You don’t understand. Legally speaking, the UK leaves the EU with or without a deal on the 29th March. That’s what the legislation says.
The implications of May Deal being rejected is clear, if nothing is agreed and ratified by Parliament before the 29/3/19, we leave without a deal. The Government has confirmed this and so far has said it will not extend Article 50.
Theresa May will outline ‘Plan B’ on Monday and amendments will be able to be tabled and MPs will be able to vote on that. As it stands, the house is split three ways between May’s Deal, No Deal and a Second Referendum. The only possibility of a majority is if either May or Corbyn throw their weight behind a deal or referendum. Both leaders are playing a game of political chicken.
Theresa May is trying to run the clock down so a deal becomes the default option and is trying to force Labour into backing a second referendum.
Yougov?A poll out today shows her rating a massive 16 points ahead of Corbyn and the Tories taking a 5 point lead over labour
No they are not split 3 ways there is a 4th way - also you don’t understand that a second referendum could not be ratified and done before the end of March and as you say there is no desire you extend the deadline
There’s no desire to extend the deadline from the Government at the moment, but that could change because there’s not parliamentary sessions to pass all the relevant legislation before the 29th March.
Besides, Labour and other opposition and a few Tory Remainers like Ken Clarke are in favour of extending Article 50. Enough for a majority? Maybe.
Theresa May is trying to run the clock down so a deal becomes the default option and is trying to force Labour into backing a second referendum.
We are not allowed to extend it unilaterally
This is her plan. Then all she has to do is say 'we are the Party that respects the will of the people'. He's equally hoping she will do the same.
You didn’t get the memo, it’s all Corbyn’s fault...
The MPs would’ve voted on the amendments separately to the main body of legislation. There was a vote on an amendment for the UK to have the right to unilaterally withdraw from the backstop in Northern Ireland — it lost 600 to 24.
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