Astute
Well-Known Member
You are the EMU. You bury your head in the sand and jeep up with your rants expecting people to believe you.
You are the EMU. You bury your head in the sand and jeep up with your rants expecting people to believe you.No. You don’t know the difference between a monetary union, the EMU, and a fiscal union. Policy is another subject.
Of course you won't admit to the readers comments. They show you know nothing or won't admit to what the British public actually think and say.What an amazing statement. Of course we have to pay what we owe. We are not donating money to the EU. We have agreed to meet all our legal obligations. If it’s a no deal, it will be done differently, but we have already agreed what we owe.
You are the EMU. You bury your head in the sand and jeep up with your rants expecting people to believe you.
To be fair only Tony ever does
And you ignored the quotes I put up for you.A bit like you and astute. Seeing as you didn’t correct him can we assume that you agree with him and also believe that horses love horse racing because they keep running when the jockey falls off?
And you ignored the quotes I put up for you.
And you wonder why I have you on ignore. I was only looking for what Mart has said. And I just see you coming out with more crap.
You are the EMU. You bury your head in the sand and jeep up with your rants expecting people to believe you.
Or you that had a go at the UK for badger baiting, fox hunting and horse racing. And had a go at horse racing because some horses end up being eaten. But you never mentioned horse racing in any EU country and never mentioned where the horse meat is eaten. And then tried to make excuses for bull 'fighting'Was that the quote from a pro racing journalist who’s basis of horse racing can’t be cruel is because there isn’t protests at every race meeting at every racecourse? I can see why you liked that quote as it demonstrated the same childlike logic you have on the subject.
They said before that they wouldn't fight to keep Poland like they are fighting to keep us. Can't work out why though.......:wideyed:
Of course you won't admit to the readers comments. They show you know nothing or won't admit to what the British public actually think and say.
So what do we owe and what for.....
Or you that had a go at the UK for badger baiting, fox hunting and horse racing. And had a go at horse racing because some horses end up being eaten. But you never mentioned horse racing in any EU country and never mentioned where the horse meat is eaten. And then tried to make excuses for bull 'fighting'
So yet another go at the UK and defending the EU. Just a shame you had to mention them eventually. And you think your version of what I said could take the heat off your biased attack.
Yeah well done again. This is why you are blocked.
Reality Check: Does the UK owe the EU money?There are loads of leavers moaning and cursing on the internet. If you read comments elsewhere there are remainers. But you think reading leavers comments is the be all and end all and you ignore the rest.
We owe what we have agreed that we owe. Not what someone on an Internet forum claims we owe.
„Yet more Brits than Italians currently oppose the EU, with only 24 percent in Italy saying they would vote to leave the bloc compared to 35 percent in the UK.“
Is that what you wanted to point out?
Only after being pushed to admit that more than the UK has it. And also had to admit that no horses had died in the national since 2012 after saying that they died in it every year. And moved all meat eating is bad after asking him where the horse meat is eaten. And made many excuses for bull 'fighting in Spain and tried to say horse racing is as bad.Didn’t he say there was horse racing all over the world?
Stop with the evidence based statistics
Or you that had a go at the UK for badger baiting, fox hunting and horse racing. And had a go at horse racing because some horses end up being eaten. But you never mentioned horse racing in any EU country and never mentioned where the horse meat is eaten. And then tried to make excuses for bull 'fighting'
So yet another go at the UK and defending the EU. Just a shame you had to mention them eventually. And you think your version of what I said could take the heat off your biased attack.
Yeah well done again. This is why you are blocked.
Yeah. Like he says, the Nazis and fascists.The Australians didn't sign it.
Stop with the evidence based statistics
Only after being pushed to admit that more than the UK has it. And also had to admit that no horses had died in the national since 2012 after saying that they died in it every year. And moved all meat eating is bad after asking him where the horse meat is eaten. And made many excuses for bull 'fighting in Spain and tried to say horse racing is as bad.
As you know you went off in one saying how cruel to animals we are in the UK. You just never considered those you favour in the EU.Did I really have to admit that horse racing is international? I didn’t realise it was a secret. How was I pushed?
The conclusion of what? The link you put up states thisThe EU "divorce bill"
The conclusion is that opinion is divided and the legal arguments are not tested. But you say we owe nothing. Who are we to believe?
As you know you went off in one saying how cruel to animals we are in the UK. You just never considered those you favour in the EU.
No. He stated that horse racing was as bad as bull 'fighting'. Look back and you will see.The actual course of the conversation was that bull fighting was bad as an example of animal cruelty in the evil EU. Tony said yes, but there is also Animal cruelty here and in the rest of the World. That obviously upset you. You say you always look at both sides, and now you are accusing Tony of attacking Britain by pointing out that cruelty to animals exists not only in the EU. You should have mentioned that from the word go as you are, according to yourself, not biased. You always look at both sides.... apparently.
The conclusion of what? The link you put up states this
'The divorce bill is not binding until parliament approves the withdrawal agreement'.
In the link I provided it said the majority, but not all of the legal people say that it can't be held up by law. So a few say it can.
We have agreed to pay our liabilities up to when the latest EU budget ends. That is in 2020. The plan is to leave in 2019. Remind me how much we put into the EU each year. Then IF it ended up in a court of law and IF it was decided that we still had to pay our liabilities they would still have to show what our liabilities are. As I also stated we have also agreed to help fund the ECB. Can you explain to me how that comes up to 39b?
So yes it is certainly in the best interests of the EU to come to an agreement on trade and everything that comes with it. This is on top of the jobs it would safeguard in the EU. As you know Germany isn't as strong as people think. We can debate this if you want to do it honestly. Italy is in trouble as we all know. A lot of Italians rely on us. A no deal would make the situation worse in Italy. A lot of the North of France relies on trade between the EU and UK. This is on top of the jobs elsewhere in France that relies on us. And as we all know things are not good in France at the moment. Macron has had to give in and give to the poor. He gave to the rich and hit the poor previously. They are now in danger of not hitting financial targets set by the EU. Not normally a problem but this has changed because what is going on between the EU and Italy.
And before you say your normal comments this isn't biased comments. This is how it is. Yes the EU has held the upper hand. But just about nobody wants the deal offered to May by the EU. You also can't deny this.
And I still say the same as I have been saying for a couple of years. The EU wants to do what they can to keep us in the EU. They need our money to keep their project going. This is including what we have to give them each year as well as the jobs our trade provides. So I see them as either relenting close to the date we leave or we leave without a deal.
You have seen the comments that Tusk has made. He was in charge of Poland when their people lost their life savings in a ponzi scheme that he did nothing about. His son was involved in it. And he says they won't fight to keep Poland in the EU lime they are fighting to keep us in. This is without mentioning yet another one at the top of the EU with skeletons in the closet.
So put all this together and if you are honest you will understand why I say I don't have a clue which way all this will go.
So a quick roundup.
The EU is trying to make us stay in the EU. It may still work. Yes you have the areas like City of London and Brighton that voted 70% to 75% to remain in the EU. But the vast majority of areas in England voted to leave including Coventry which was 55.6% against 44.4% leave. Yes you do have Scotland where every area voted remain. But the Tories and Labour don't have seats at risk like they do in England to go against the people.
Then you have this people's vote thing. It is as if they are saying that the people didn't vote last time. The call is mainly led by rich self important people.
Yes many of us are better off with us staying in the EU. But you need to consider that many of us are not better off staying in the EU.
No. He stated that horse racing was as bad as bull 'fighting'. Look back and you will see.
It was the normal anti UK rant we get on here. Just like how we will lose workers rights when we leave the EU. Strangely enough lately we have seen workers rights lost in the EU. And the EU has tentatively agreed to more workers losing rights. But is has just been announced that workers rights are being strengthened in the UK. But of course there will be a story weaved into this by certain people on here.
No. He stated that horse racing was as bad as bull 'fighting'. Look back and you will see.
It was the normal anti UK rant we get on here. Just like how we will lose workers rights when we leave the EU. Strangely enough lately we have seen workers rights lost in the EU. And the EU has tentatively agreed to more workers losing rights. But is has just been announced that workers rights are being strengthened in the UK. But of course there will be a story weaved into this by certain people on here.
As your post says....If....May....might.If you read the article, you would see how it is calculated. It is a net figures and includes the EIB. We signed up for EIB guarantees which we may have to honour.
Whether or not the arguments are correct that article 50 superscedes the Vienna convention, there is enough doubt about that to involve years of litigation. We have agreed the figure, that we owe it and that we will cover our liabilities. To say that we won’t pay because didn’t get the deal we wanted will be challenged in international courts.
2020 is the year the budget ends which we agreed to. We won’t get out of that without a challenge.
The fact that the EU is under attack from 2 powerful adversaries should hint at what is to come for us when we are out on our own. They will have succeeded in weakening Europe and in particular, weakening us. We will be a distressed trading partner desperate for trade deals.
Do you count that as a good bargaining position?
Tusk‘s son worked for a short time for an airline owned by a ponzi scheme. I don’t know how that affects Britain’s future.
I think you overestimate the bargaining power of the 39 billion. We will end paying all or a large portion of that whatever happens. Even in no deal we will still be hoping for some sort of future deal or trade with the EU. We will be in a stand off situation. You want a deal, you pay the 39 billion.
You say some will be worse off in the EU. That may well be true. That is true in many deals, but at the end of the day the interests of the country as a whole should win through. A possible example: Fishing is a small percentage of GDP, financial services is massive. There will probably be a trade off to protect financial services.
I don’t know either how things will work out, but we are in a precarious situation and I think the people should have the final say as to whether we are prepared to go ahead or not. It should be called final say and made to be a binding referendum. No way out of the result.
As your post says....If....May....might.
That is the best you can come out with. Yet nothing is different to my original post that you try to deny. Like I said there is nothing to say that we 'have' to pay 39b if there is no deal. We have only agreed to pay if there is a deal.
I thought you was against old news.Workers' rights could be reviewed after Brexit, officials say
There was something about strengthening workers rights in the gig economy. How is that coming on? Did it happen?
No we don't have to pay. There is nothing to say we have to pay. The best you could find against what I said was ifs buts and maybe's. I also said if we had to pay that it would take years to be decided. And also asked you how they could justify 39b when we are due to leave in 2019 and the budget agreed is until 2020.You said we don’t have to pay. That is an assumption. It is not a fact as stated in the links and I hold that opinion. If you can prove conclusively that we don’t have to pay, then go ahead.
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