Grendel
Well-Known Member
I haven’t just realised it I posted the same several weeks ago when I pointed out fiscal union in the EU exists which of course you’ve been trying to pretend does not
No. Some still think the evil EU is dictating it’s will to the poor Italians. I have said all along that they are voluntarily in a monetary union and have agreed to it’s terms. Which, as you have just realised, means giving up a bit of sovereignty to be part of a multilateral agreement and to be subject to it’s rules.
The government will declare an intention to leave with no deal I would guess
I haven’t just realised it I posted the same several weeks ago when I pointed out fiscal union in the EU exists which of course you’ve been trying to pretend does not
The only hint at a fiscal union is the minimum VAT rate, with exceptions, for which we had a veto, but didn’t use it as we were also for a minimum VAT rate. There is a monetary union for the Eurozone, which you confused with a fiscal union. And I certainly don’t remember you understanding pooled sovereignty in the past.
How about going back to you saying about the government losing the vote when it is on lots of news outlets that they won't?
The Brexit deal that nobody likes? I have stated I don't know.
If May stalls enough until close to the leaving date they could have the choice of Mays deal or leave without a deal. Then which way would they vote?
EU now squirming in the fact we go with no deal
No 39 billion and that will make other nations sit up and think,They hate the fact we may go without a deal.
Things will be fine with no deal life will go on
Be good to see the BBC wetting their pants when no deal happens!!!
Sorry that’s really not answering the question but is typical deception.
Read out Keynes definition of fiscal policy and then can you post that on here?
5% of the BBCs fee comes from the EU just watch the vote night and they are all squirmingThe BBC is under attack for being pro Brexit. The 39bn will not go away. It will just mean years of litigation ( sound familiar? ). The 2 bn extra to the billions already approved/ spent on ‚no deal‘ will not come back.
5% of the BBCs fee comes from the EU just watch the vote night and they are all squirming
Sorry that’s really not answering the question but is typical deception.
Read out Keynes definition of fiscal policy and then can you post that on here?
They will hate the fact 2 years down the line we will be performing well outside the EUYou mean 95% comes from our government. I know who holds most sway.
Why would no deal mean no £39bnEU now squirming in the fact we go with no deal
No 39 billion and that will make other nations sit up and think,They hate the fact we may go without a deal.
Things will be fine with no deal life will go on
Be good to see the BBC wetting their pants when no deal happens!!!
They will hate the fact 2 years down the line we will be performing well outside the EU
We don’t want an EU army we can cope alone without the Germans telling us what to do life will carry on we are doing ok at the moment and 52% is the result we got
no need for another vote.
We will be fine we’ve paid our share over the years
You are trying really hard but what is fiscal policy and the ability to influence as defined by Keynesian economics?
It is pretty obvious that you don’t or can’t accept the difference and I am Christmas Shopping.. so Google it yourself.. It is not difficult
Is it the nazis and the fascists didn’t want to sign it?Back in the EU the Belgium government has just collapsed because they signed the UN compact on migration without the full agreement of all coalition partners.
Anyway I’ll help you. You have made a rather stupid assumption that fiscal = taxation strategy.
It does not. It’s using all the tools at its disposal to provide economic stimulus. This includes increase spending and borrowing to stimulate the market. Classic fiscal policy.
Fiscal policy that has been included in the Italian budget and rejected by Brussels.
I’m sorry if you couldn’t even see that then you really are a very dim chap
Fiscal policy is basically taxation and spending controlled by government. Monetary policy is interest rates and money supply controlled by the central bank. Italy is bound by the EMU which has monetary union in the title. Have the Italians been told to alter their tax system or told what to spend their money on? They are in a monetary union, but have to take a fiscal measure as they have exceeded their borrowing limit. They are not in a fiscal union though and can still set their own tax rates and propose their own budget within the limits agreed with the monetary union.
A fiscal union involves agreed taxation rates.
Anyway I’ll help you. You have made a rather stupid assumption that fiscal = taxation strategy.
It does not. It’s using all the tools at its disposal to provide economic stimulus. This includes increase spending and borrowing to stimulate the market. Classic fiscal policy.
Fiscal policy that has been included in the Italian budget and rejected by Brussels.
I’m sorry if you couldn’t even see that then you really are a very dim chap
Do they can borrow as much as they want.
You are trying really hard but what is fiscal policy and the ability to influence as defined by Keynesian economics?
No they cannot because of the ECB.
So they can borrow as much as they want. Really?
The last motion was against the MP. And it was won by the PM.The current motion is against the PM, not Government. Personally, it's I think it's political posturing which won't lead to anything because the Tories will not want to look divided to the public and the implication of this motion winning is a process that leads to changing the PM. Hence, the Conservatives are rallying around their leader.
This picture becomes far more complicated if the Government loses a parliamentary vote on May's deal. This is because the country will be headed toward a no deal Brexit which MPs are opposed to. Despite people like Rees-Mogg saying they'll support the PM in this motion, it doesn't change that people like him will still vote against her deal. To quote Rees-Mogg from The Brexit Lectures (BBC iPlayer, 23rd June 2018) he said it's even worse to be 'vassal state' than a full member of the EU. I doubt that this fundamental schism can be mended, and if JRM actually backs this deal, it will be a monumental sell-out. In fact, I'd argue that May's deal isn't a real Brexit and frankly, Barry Gardiner lays it out better than I could in the linked article where he says it'd 'con' to the 52%.
If faced by a real prospect of a no deal, then it's conceivable pro-Remain Tory MPs would back a motion of no confidence in the Government.
Brexit means leaving the single market and the customs union. Here’s why | Barry Gardiner
Absolute bollocks as usual.The BBC is under attack for being pro Brexit. The 39bn will not go away. It will just mean years of litigation ( sound familiar? ). The 2 bn extra to the billions already approved/ spent on ‚no deal‘ will not come back.
There is nothing in law to say we would have to pay. We have agreed a budget but that finishes just after we leave. We have also agreed to help fund the ECB. But most of that should come back.Why would no deal mean no £39bn
Absolute bollocks as usual.
The BBC is as pro remain as you could get. It is as bad as you for jumping on anything that can be seen as bad for the UK and defending the EU. Look at the readers comments. And even though it is fully pro EU the reader comments are not.
There is nothing in law to say we would have to pay. We have agreed a budget but that finishes just after we leave. We have also agreed to help fund the ECB. But most of that should come back.
We have agreed to pay 39b but only with a trade agreement. Without a trade agreement they would struggle to get much out of us. And even if they did it would take many years.
But I have a feeling the Tories would back down.
You are all over the place
The Australians didn't sign it.Is it the nazis and the fascists didn’t want to sign it?
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