Astute
Well-Known Member
Is that Juncker you are talking about?
Is that Juncker you are talking about?Haha just because he’s someone you’re politically aligned to, you turn a blind eye. It’s a disgrace that he has been put into a position of such power after his previous behaviour.
Yes we can leave on our own terms. But it would be without any sort of deal with the EU. As in a hard Brexit. We don't have to agree to anything that they are pushing us into.You could argue with yourself. Calm down and see things rationally. It’s not. We cannot unilaterally leave on our own terms and make easy trade deals outside of the Eu. So we can leave but it will take time and needs negotiating. Your attitude is so like Davies and rhees mogg annoyed at others hard work has achieved but buggered if I’m going to help you solve it. What are you and they afraid of? That the blister and we can leave how we like is absolute bollox?
Is that Juncker you are talking about?
If you want to look at fraud and having a high up job. If you want to look at having a high up job that someone shouldn't have look at the EU .
But you throw your accusations at the UK.
Fair debating?
So am I not allowed to put up where rioting is going on?Where did I say you were promoting the right-wing? It just didn’t make sense to highlight a far right protest to show that the wider population were becoming unsettled.
Hence why I asked the point of the link.
Yet you only ever aim at the UK and leave everyone else alone. And then when I pull you up on it you call me anti EU.We were actually discussing Macron and Liam Fox, I’m not sure why you’re trying to divert to Junker. Perhaps there’s always wrongdoing amongst politicians, even in the UK.
There’s plenty of wrongdoing and injustice going on here, I look forward to your future threads where you spend several years complaining about them.
And the EU doesn't need to look at themselves? They even stopped the investigation from taking any action.No it’s not actually, it’s a high powered UK Minister. As I’ve said before, the UK needs to take a good look at itself before attempting to take the moral highground.
So am I not allowed to put up where rioting is going on?
Free to do so but get hounded for it.You’re free to do what you like?
And the EU doesn't need to look at themselves? They even stopped the investigation from taking any action.
Free to do so but get hounded for it.
Look at the last page or two. Count how many times you have had a go at anyone from the UK. Look at how many times you have had a go at anyone who has mentioned anything that you see as against anyone or anything to do with the EU.I’ve always said that the EU needs reform and is far from perfect.
I’d like to see anyone suspected of wrongdoing and abusing their power to be investigated, no matter where they’re from. Sadly it would probably mean there wouldn’t be endless investigations
Comment yes. But not have everything twisted all the time.It’s an open Internet forum, you shouldn’t be surprised when others comment on your posts.
Look at the last page or two. Count how many times you have had a go at anyone from the UK. Look at how many times you have had a go at anyone who has mentioned anything that you see as against anyone or anything to do with the EU.
Then look back and try and find the last time you could be seen even slightly having a go at anyone or anything to do with the EU.
Ffs how was it twisting? You were the one talking about protests in Brussels and then provided a link to a far right protest that happened to be in Brussels.Comment yes. But not have everything twisted all the time.
Yes we can leave on our own terms. But it would be without any sort of deal with the EU. As in a hard Brexit. We don't have to agree to anything that they are pushing us into.
I’d just ask how many people want that? Cause I think and it is only a think it wouldn’t be half of the leave votersDid you read the link?
I’d just ask how many people want that? Cause I think and it is only a think it wouldn’t be half of the leave voters
Why don't you look back?Half the time it’s in response to those with the attitude that Brexit must happen no matter what, it’s weird you never call these people out and only seem to apply these rules of yours to remainers.
Did I say you twisted this?Ffs how was it twisting? You were the one talking about protests in Brussels and then provided a link to a far right protest that happened to be in Brussels.
I did not claim you were endorsing the far right, just asking why it was relevant and the point of including the link
Did I say you twisted this?
There was rioting. It was to do with what is going on. It was on the doorstep of the EU. It was to do with the UN. And the UK was mentioned with the UN. Look back if you missed it.
Why don't you look back?
You only ever notice my comments about one side but they are invisible when it is what you agree with most of the time.
Not being on the campaign trail doesn't mean she wasn't enthusiastic about remaining. How about commenting on the link I put up for you?
Most of those on the campaign trail came out with the lies that was what Vote Remain told us. That was the official party line. But as you can see May said it as it is. How many others did?
How wonderful to read an expert opinion on this. Not either side but saying If we want out then ok let’s face up to how difficult this is going to be
What point?What point are you trying to make exactly?
In the link you posted, it goes to show how non-committal May was. She talks of risks, but you'd expect that from any sensible politician with sound judgement. Compare what May said compared to Osborne saying Brexit would make UK 'permanently poorer' and it would 'lose control' of its economy -- that's far more aggressive rhetoric. Evidently, May was in support of Remain, that point isn't being contested. To clarify what I mean, she wasn't enthusiastic in the sense of making lots of public appearances and making the aggressive case, that Osborne made, for example. She kept a relatively low profile compared to other cabinet ministers of similar standing and she didn't stake her career on the outcome of the referendum as the likes of Cameron, Osborne and Boris did. Hence, she was able to emerge from the campaign as the 'unity' candidate back in 2016. This isn't me guessing, this is actually what happened.
It should be clear that May really is committed to Brexit, she said a second referendum would be a 'betrayal' to the public vote in 2016. She's even staked her career on getting this Brexit deal through parliament. She's turned round to her own MPs and promised to step down before the next election in order to try and get this deal through. This Brexit deal defines her political career, it's what she was elected to deliver and for all her faults, she very clearly sees it as her duty to deliver that. Most politicians in her position wouldn't rule out a second referendum, yet May is seemingly willing to go all in with her deal. Incredible stubbornness. Perhaps she's a reluctant Brexiteer, but a Brexiteer nonetheless.
On the flip side, Corbyn finds himself thrust into a position where he's staked his political career on Remaining in the EU, even though he's been a eurosceptic for most of his parliamentary career. Like I think May is committed to Brexit, Corbyn is committed to Remaining because his party membership overwhelmingly supports Remain, albeit reluctantly.
George Osborne: Brexit would leave UK ‘permanently poorer’
George Osborne says Britain would 'lose control' of its economy if it left the EU
He’s had his snout firmly in the Eu trough and since being fired has been spouting his bilge
No doubt you could explain how the negotiations went far better. He was our representative. Maybe you think the scum Farage could explain things better?
It should be clear that May really is committed to Brexit
Shouldn’t you be in bed Hawe hawe? I’m sure you’ve got another long day ahead of you tomorrow spouting your leaders doctrine
Don’t forget to polish the jackboots on the way up,
What point?
I look at everything from both sides. I bring up points from both sides. But I only normally get questioned from one side.
The link I gave you was from a news outlet that is seen as unbiased. They quoted what she said before and after the referendum. I posted it because the way you was talking you would think she is and always was a leaver.
And would you expect anything else from Osborne? He didn't even want the referendum to happen.
Any comment on the words or just the person? Which of the nine main points do you have more experience of, which do you disagree with and why and which do you think are good points?He’s had his snout firmly in the Eu trough and since being fired has been spouting his bilge
I don't get all this new referendum being a betrayal angle being spouted by May and the cabinet.
Surely a bad deal for the country is a betrayal of the people too isn't it?
Is it surprising that people thought it would be easy when we had MP's that didn't have a clue?Any comment on the words or just the person? Which of the nine main points do you have more experience of, which do you disagree with and why and which do you think are good points?
Funny how many of the ‘experts’ who were saying how easy it was all going to be are a little bit quiet now
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