Grendel
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The SNP?
Oh I can astute and I think you could too. There are good people friends of friends who coiuld earn far more doing wonderful jobs serving their communities. Some of the snp youngsters could change their world for the better in a fair manner
You constantly duck the point. The voters are ordinary people, all you refer back to is a handful of conductors at the top. The question i was posing is how do you appease millions, yes millions of working class folk who will feel mightily let down if the political class toffs, and the I'm doing alright crowd from London and the home counties tell them to stop being stupid , uneducated racists and tow the line once more . Mart you're such a fraud, you're worried about the effect on your business and possible consequences for your daughter being schooled in England . You're just as twisted and selfish as the Brexit leaders you like to slate day and night.
We have become so. Can't ever see a truly socialist party ever getting into power.97 labour government was the last one. Corbyn s would try and change it but won’t be given the chance by anyone. I recognise he isn’t prime ministerial though. I also recognise we are a centrist country at heart politically
Same here. I don't regret anything in life. It obviously seemed the right thing to do at the time, so I always feel like looking back and regretting things as all rather pointless.No regrets voting for 97 Blair government they did so much good
Sounds just like the EU now.
It would be better if another vote wouldn't include those who would remain at whatever cost and also remove those who would leave at any cost. Then those of us that are actually trying to work out what would be best for our future would be left. But that would be even more impossible.
Yep absolutely. Redistribution of wealth from the Uber rich and those earning in a very loose term the backs of society with no thought to the greater success of the whole.The SNP?
Fair points but it’s no point sniping or simmering from the sidelines we need to demand more accountability and trust and only that which we are willing to be judged by ourselvesI mean those who will hold power. The SNP will only have a small say at best.
Yes there are MP's that do good. But I can't list them off the top of my head. I was on about high profile MP's. The career MP's. Not those who became an MP to make a difference to the man on the street.
Yep absolutely. Redistribution of wealth from the Uber rich and those earning in a very loose term the backs of society with no thought to the greater success of the whole.
Same here. I don't regret anything in life. It obviously seemed the right thing to do at the time, so I always feel like looking back and regretting things as all rather pointless.
I’m talking individual integrity and people that want to make a differenceThe party that wanted independence even though every economist said it would result in economic oblivion and the party who could not even say what currency they would use the next day if they’d won
and didn’t even care?
Reece Mogg is a liberal compared to those nut jobs
The party that wanted independence even though every economist said it would result in economic oblivion and the party who could not even say what currency they would use the next day if they’d won
and didn’t even care?
Reece Mogg is a liberal compared to those nut jobs
to be fair, there was nothing in Blairs manifesto to suggest that he was a war monger who was going to set the middle east alight.
Or that he was going to rape and pillage hard working working class pensions
Yeah...anything...whatever...just don't go around actually acknowledging, admitting or saying your statement was incorrect though eh?The motorway network on the whole is free here compared to other European countries. I’ve paid all of the tolls you have above but if you think the motorway charges here are comparable to France and Italy then I guess you haven’t driven there very much
no they didn't. Plenty did, but there are plenty who said the complete opposite.
There really was not. The Scottish government had no commitment they would join the EU (so they’d exit the uk and the EU) and they’d no currency plan.
If Scotland could crash out the EU and the UK and economists believed this would be a benefit then surely they would say the same for the uk as a whole leaving the EU?
Yes...but nothing comes for free. Our free movement is paid for out of our contributions to the EU some would argue.In the UK you don't have to pay normally unless in an area with good or better public transport. You have the occasional bridge that doesn't cost a lot as long as you remember to pay. And motorway tolls that you can bypass.
Going to Italy I go through several countries to save about €100 each way over the direct journey. Takes about 2 hours longer but is the more scenic route.
To do toll free would about double the journey time. And when driving for a day already........
And vice Versa as astute says. But it’s the normal people that pay. Not unaccountable millionaires who don’t live in the real world. We need a new system the one we have doesn’t allow good people to be involved and make a meaningful differenceYes...but nothing comes for free. Our free movement is paid for out of our contributions to the EU some would argue.
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Yeah...anything...whatever...just don't go around actually acknowledging, admitting or saying your statement was incorrect though eh?
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Yes...but nothing comes for free. Our free movement is paid for out of our contributions to the EU some would argue.
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Can't blame her for Spain, that's for sure !Not true. I explained what is happening in my business. My UK beer is now brewed in Holland and my main Cider in Belgium. My best sellers are Irish. My whiskey comes from Ireland and Scotland, but you can easily get Swiss, German, Swedish, Danish and Japanese whisky here. My daughter is back in Germany and living with a Spanish guy who wants to do his „master electrician“ exam here and then go back to Spain. My daughter has dreams of going to Uni in Madrid. I have dual citizenship and so Brexit will not be bad for me and my family. But, the UK working class will be poorer and have less rights. Totally unselfish if you consider these points.
An excerpt from 'Psychology Today'..."what about when a person does push back against the facts, when they simply cannot admit they were wrong in any circumstance? What in their psychological makeup makes it impossible for them to admit they were wrong, even when it is obvious they were? And why does this happen so repetitively — why do they never admit they were wrong?Considering that the person I was actually having the conversation with has been in agreement with me, it’s just sounds like you’re trying to be condescending as ever and failing miserably.
:smuggrin:I believe you can pay a set fee and get unlimited travel on the Italian motorways, I will investigate to see if it’d be possible for you.
My favourite is to wait until mine is asleep with her head against the window and then open it.
An excerpt from 'Psychology Today'..."what about when a person does push back against the facts, when they simply cannot admit they were wrong in any circumstance? What in their psychological makeup makes it impossible for them to admit they were wrong, even when it is obvious they were? And why does this happen so repetitively — why do they never admit they were wrong?
The answer is related to their ego, their very sense-of-self. Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate."
You & your habitual 'Like'-er(s) might want to chew that over lol
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Brown well before he became PM. His job was to cook the books. He didn't take off just the rich, poor or middle class like normally happens whoever is in. Everyone seemed happy until they realised final salary pensions had been killed off in one go. He made millions poorer overnight. The younger generations lost the chance to have a good pension. And it made the money for Bliar to do the Tory thing. Tax cuts for the rich. Our population exploded but they continued to sell off social housing without building any more.was that Brown or was it Brown on Blairs watch?
An excerpt from 'Psychology Today'..."what about when a person does push back against the facts, when they simply cannot admit they were wrong in any circumstance? What in their psychological makeup makes it impossible for them to admit they were wrong, even when it is obvious they were? And why does this happen so repetitively — why do they never admit they were wrong?
The answer is related to their ego, their very sense-of-self. Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate."
You & your habitual 'Like'-er(s) might want to chew that over lol
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Mate...all I did was point out that you were wrong in what you stated.I’m happy to hold my hands up and admit when ive been wrong and have done multiple times on this forum.
As I said, the person I was actually speaking to has agreed with me.
You’re just a general oddball.
You have those who think they were lied to.No, 17,4 million people who voted leave are probably trying to work out how to admit they were wrong based on how leave has turned out. ;-)
Mate...all I did was point out that you were wrong in what you stated.
Then you appeared to be trying argue that you weren't, or justify it in some bizarre way.
You could've just said 'Yes, you are right there are some sections/bridges..." or something like that. Instead you seemed to think you were being attacked or ridiculed & went all defensive.
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An excerpt from 'Psychology Today'..."what about when a person does push back against the facts, when they simply cannot admit they were wrong in any circumstance? What in their psychological makeup makes it impossible for them to admit they were wrong, even when it is obvious they were? And why does this happen so repetitively — why do they never admit they were wrong?
The answer is related to their ego, their very sense-of-self. Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate."
You & your habitual 'Like'-er(s) might want to chew that over lol
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Looking at events across the channel they're probably hugely relieved they voted the way they did.No, 17,4 million people who voted leave are probably trying to work out how to admit they were wrong based on how leave has turned out. ;-)
Looking at events across the channel they're probably hugely relieved they voted the way they did.
I can see it happening if Brexit doesn't happen. It won't matter if following it through would be a disaster.What events? Gilets jaunes protesting about the cost of living? That could come here about homelessness and food banks, or knife crimes or crime in general. Plenty of reasons to kick off here.
I can see it happening if Brexit doesn't happen. It won't matter if following it through would be a disaster.
But what you have failed to mention is it is the taking away of peoples rights that has caused a lot of the trouble in France. But you tell us constantly that we will lose our rights when we leave the EU.
A bit of consistency would be nice.
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