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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,521
martcov said:
My parents told me exactly the same thing. I am now 63. It seems to be common that older people tell the young that they have it easy. When I was young......
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You must have it easy, you're on here all day.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,522
Leave Voter Breaks Into Tears As He Apologises For Backing Brexit - LBC
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,523
Sick Boy said:
If May falls I reckon there would end up being one.
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There would have be a vote passed in the commons and no Tory or Unionist would ever do it
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,524
Sick Boy said:
Leave Voter Breaks Into Tears As He Apologises For Backing Brexit - LBC
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Ha ha what a tosser
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,525
Ian1779 said:
She is a nasty bitch - overseeing an incompetent rollout of Universal Credit with no remorse for the lives she has devastated - glad she's gone.
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She’s also typical pro European politician and a snout in the trough Brussels whore

Actually is this May you are talking about?
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,526
skybluetony176 said:
Penny Mordaunt is apparently meeting with the PM this afternoon so I guess that will be resignation No.3.
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#5, 2 ministers, 1 junior minister and a senior civil servant already gone.
Resignation in Downing Street -
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,527
Sick Boy said:
Leave Voter Breaks Into Tears As He Apologises For Backing Brexit - LBC
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Ridiculously staged, as they usually are on there.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,528
Grendel said:
She’s also typical pro European politician and a snout in the trough Brussels whore

Actually is this May you are talking about?
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Overall I think it will be up to 6 as 3 junior ministers have already resigned from what I’ve just heard on the radio.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,529
Grendel said:
There would have be a vote passed in the commons and no Tory or Unionist would ever do it
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DUP MP insists party is not bluffing over threat to vote against Budget over Brexit

Jim Shannon quoted as saying the DUP wouldn't be scared of a general election. It may not be an ideal scenario but given the choice between a GE or a border in the Irish sea the DUP will go with the former option every time.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,530
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Ridiculously staged, as they usually are on there.
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It's weird you've never mentioned that when others have posted Farage's call on here
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,531
Grendel said:
Ha ha what a tosser
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It's like something off the CWR phone-in.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,532
skybluetony176 said:
I remember constantly blaming immigration for housing issues, nhs issues etc and then when anyone pointed out the positives of freedom of movement you accusing them of only seeing one side of the argument despite it being an address to you seeing only one side of the argument while claiming to be the only person seeing both sides of the argument. So yes. It is.
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Are you telling me that you don't only see one side of it all?

And you twist everything anyone says that you don't like. Just like you are doing right now.

One question for you then. Have the millions of people that have come to live in the UK made any difference to the housing crisis we presently have?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,533
skybluetony176 said:
I actually said it’s down to decades of successive governments failing to invest in the infrastructure that our growing economy has demanded. But whatever.
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And I agreed. But you make out that the open borders system has made no difference. And you hate being corrected on it. Just like a few others.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,534
clint van damme said:
DUP MP insists party is not bluffing over threat to vote against Budget over Brexit

Jim Shannon quoted as saying the DUP wouldn't be scared of a general election. It may not be an ideal scenario but given the choice between a GE or a border in the Irish sea the DUP will go with the former option every time.
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They will reject the deal not bring down the Tory government to allow one who wants a unified Ireland
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,535
Its all a bit of mess really isn't it.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,536
Grendel said:
They will reject the deal not bring down the Tory government to allow one who wants a unified Ireland
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yeah, I think that's exactly what they'll do. Probably talking to potential Tory leadership candidates as we speak.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,537
Monners said:
Its all a bit of mess really isn't it.
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LALALALALA!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,538
Grendel said:
They will reject the deal not bring down the Tory government to allow one who wants a unified Ireland
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It's irrelevant whether Corbyn wants a unified Ireland or not, it's down to the people of N.I. to decide
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,539
fernandopartridge said:
It's irrelevant whether Corbyn wants a unified Ireland or not, it's down to the people of N.I. to decide
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I don't think many in Britain would actually be all that bothered if the north decided to join the Republic
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,540
fernandopartridge said:
It's irrelevant whether Corbyn wants a unified Ireland or not, it's down to the people of N.I. to decide
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But it’s not irrelevant that a political party deeply opposed to it would willingly play a part in electing a leader who wants it and who has a long association with the republican movement.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,541
Sick Boy said:
I don't think many in Britain would actually be all that bothered if the north decided to join the Republic
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No I certainly wouldn’t if that’s what they wanted
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,542
Astute said:
And I agreed. But you make out that the open borders system has made no difference. And you hate being corrected on it. Just like a few others.
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If you’re capable of understanding it I actually haven’t said any such thing. When I said that its down to decades of successive governments failing to invest in the infrastructure that our growing economy demands that includes enough housing to house the immigration that our growing economy demands. They’re intrinsically connected which is why I’ve always also said that you have two options, shrink the economy to the point that it suits our infrastructure or invest in the infrastructure to keep up. It’s our economy that demands immigration and therefore an investment in infrastructure to accommodate a growing population to accommodate a growing economy. It’s a failure to invest that’s the issue which ever direction you want to look at it, unless of course you want to shrink the economy to alleviate the problem.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,543
Grendel said:
But it’s not irrelevant that a political party deeply opposed to it would willingly play a part in electing a leader who wants it and who has a long association with the republican movement.
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That's a hell of a jump though Grendel, from general election to a definite Labour government.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,544
Apparently Gove has just turned down the position of Brexit Secretary, this is one of the leaders of the official brexit campaign who wanted the PM’s job when Cameron resigned. He’s looking more and more like a bregretter every week. Doesn’t want the job of delivering it and seems to back May (publicly at least) at every turn. It can’t be the same guy can it?
 
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fellatio_Martinez

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,545
fernandopartridge said:
It's irrelevant whether Corbyn wants a unified Ireland or not, it's down to the people of N.I. to decide
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Yeah and it would cause all kinds of turmoil that would make Brexit look like a tea party.

The unionists in N.Ireland would go mental. If you think the DUP are bad imagine how their orange men, no surrender brigade would react.

I think N.Ireland needs another few decades before a vote for an all Ireland wouldn't be met with a civil war.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,546
Grendel said:
No I certainly wouldn’t if that’s what they wanted
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Most of the people I work with in their 20s didn't realise that Northern Ireland was part of the UK until recently, which I found shocking.
fellatio_Martinez said:
Yeah and it would cause all kinds of turmoil that would make Brexit look like a tea party.

The unionists in N.Ireland would go mental. If you think the DUP are bad imagine how their orange men, no surrender brigade would react.

I think N.Ireland needs another few decades before a vote for an all Ireland wouldn't be met with a civil war.
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Unionists applying for Irish passports would have been rare before, who knows how it will play out in the coming years. There's is not exactly an overwhelming desire in Ireland for the north to be reunited with it though, probably a majority, but not a significant one.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,547
fellatio_Martinez said:
Yeah and it would cause all kinds of turmoil that would make Brexit look like a tea party.

The unionists in N.Ireland would go mental. If you think the DUP are bad imagine how their orange men, no surrender brigade would react.

I think N.Ireland needs another few decades before a vote for an all Ireland wouldn't be met with a civil war.
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I think you would be surprised. They’ll be enclaves of hardened unionist willing to do stupid things but the majority of Protestants and Catholics have enjoyed the piece and prosperity that they’ve had over the last couple of decades and want that to continue. They just want to go to work uninhibited regardless of which county that’s in and which side of the border it is, pay their mortgage and provide for their families. That’s looking increasingly easier in a united Ireland than it is in a brexit Britain. Economics is going to be the driving factor in uniting Ireland.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,548
fellatio_Martinez said:
Yeah and it would cause all kinds of turmoil that would make Brexit look like a tea party.

The unionists in N.Ireland would go mental. If you think the DUP are bad imagine how their orange men, no surrender brigade would react.

I think N.Ireland needs another few decades before a vote for an all Ireland wouldn't be met with a civil war.
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There is also doubt over the long standing assumption that everybody in the south wants to unite with the north.

Would the south want to take on some of the public spending obligations? I doubt it very much as Ireland has lower levels of taxation than the UK.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,549
fernandopartridge said:
There is also doubt over the long standing assumption that everybody in the south wants to unite with the north.

Would the south want to take on some of the public spending obligations? I doubt it very much as Ireland has lower levels of taxation than the UK.
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Also I am not sure it would want to take on the inevitable issues that it would cause and the spending it would need.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,550
fernandopartridge said:
There is also doubt over the long standing assumption that everybody in the south wants to unite with the north.

Would the south want to take on some of the public spending obligations? I doubt it very much as Ireland has lower levels of taxation than the UK.
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fairly sure they had a constitutional claim to the north which they relinquished as part of the GFA.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,551
clint van damme said:
fairly sure they had a constitutional claim to the north which they relinquished as part of the GFA.
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That's correct.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,552
Another no confidence letter to Chairman of 1922 committee
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,553
Captain Dart said:
Another no confidence letter to Chairman of 1922 committee
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Henry Smith has submitted one as well.

Anyone else see a minister who admitted to making up statistics live on Radio5 saying 80% of the public backed May's deal, it really is a farce, regardless of which side you're on, a lot of these aren't fit for purpose.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,554
Sick Boy said:
Henry Smith has submitted one as well.

Anyone else see a minister who admitted to making up statistics live on Radio5 saying 80% of the public backed May's deal, it really is a farce, regardless of which side you're on, a lot of these aren't fit for purpose.
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Business back it, because it is no change for them but the public see it as an unacceptable failure, half want to reverse the decision and half say sod it lets just walk out and see how the EU like that. Fasten your seat belts we are heading for heavy turbulence.
 
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fellatio_Martinez

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  • Nov 15, 2018
  • #23,555
skybluetony176 said:
I think you would be surprised. They’ll be enclaves of hardened unionist willing to do stupid things but the majority of Protestants and Catholics have enjoyed the piece and prosperity that they’ve had over the last couple of decades and want that to continue. They just want to go to work uninhibited regardless of which county that’s in and which side of the border it is, pay their mortgage and provide for their families. That’s looking increasingly easier in a united Ireland than it is in a brexit Britain. Economics is going to be the driving factor in uniting Ireland.
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I spent years working in Belfast as well as having family from here. So I'm not just coming at this from an outsiders standpoint.

Society has moved on but there's still hatred and divide in the air. A few years ago they decided to not fly the union jack everyday from the city hall and the unionists rioted for a week. They caused millions of pounds of damage because of a flag.... So imagine what they'd do at the proposition of "their country" being taken away?

Also, there's a lot of Catholic people in N.Ireland getting British benefits they would never get in the south and it's a rip off down there too so I doubt even as many nationalists would vote for a united Ireland than one would assume.

Better the devil you know.
 
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