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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,381
Leadership challenge imminent...
 

Astute

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,382
Sick Boy said:
On here? I only know two people in real life who actually think that.
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Two people that think what?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,383
Just a thought. If Arlene Foster withdraws from the confidence-and-supply agreement will that alone be enough to trigger a general election? I think it will and from what DUP MP Sammy Wilson has said that seems highly likely.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,384
Astute said:
Are you trying to get me to like him?
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If you post something about him I disagree with I'll argue the point but ultimately I don't care what your opinion of him is.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,385
Sick Boy said:
Is that not down to domestic policy? What about the environment? I'd much rather trust the EU than looking to open up the country to the Trump administration.

It's hard to keep up whether it is a capitalist club for fat cats or the EUSSR at times
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It's a capitalist club that throws the odd bone in to make it look as if it has some degree of care for citizens. It certainly isn't socialist and only a moron would think otherwise. They way it behaves at times is comparable with the way any federation would including the USSR, but that's just what it is.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,386
skybluetony176 said:
Just a thought. If Arlene Foster withdraws from the confidence-and-supply agreement will that alone be enough to trigger a general election? I think it will and from what DUP MP Sammy Wilson has said that seems highly likely.
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can't see them going for this agreement.
May would be toast, so a tory leadership contest inevitable. A GE, perhaps, but the DUP may still carry on propping up the tories to keep out Corbyn while in the mean time we head towards no deal, WTO rules and squirells for dinner!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,387
clint van damme said:
can't see them going for this agreement.
May would be toast, so a tory leadership contest inevitable. A GE, perhaps, but the DUP may still carry on propping up the tories to keep out Corbyn while in the mean time we head towards no deal, WTO rules and squirells for dinner!
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No deal is no good for the DUP either, how can they vote against May's proposal in reality? They'd finish themselves (which is good).
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,388
Why is May now talking about a choice between this deal, no deal and no Brexit. When did no Brexit get put back on the table as an option being considered?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,389
fernandopartridge said:
No deal is no good for the DUP either, how can they vote against May's proposal in reality? They'd finish themselves (which is good).
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the problem for them is that no matter what May says to Foster tonight, her proposal treat NI differently from the rest of the UK.
No way the DUP will agree to it no matter what the fall out. If May can persuade them then she'll deserve plenty of kudos for doing so.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,390
chiefdave said:
Why is May now talking about a choice between this deal, no deal and no Brexit. When did no Brexit get put back on the table as an option being considered?
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thought that was strange, not least because she may have got some Labour MPs to support her proposal if it was a choice between that and no deal but if they think there's a chance of stopping brexit altogether then there's no chance they'll support her.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,391
clint van damme said:
can't see them going for this agreement.
May would be toast, so a tory leadership contest inevitable. A GE, perhaps, but the DUP may still carry on propping up the tories to keep out Corbyn while in the mean time we head towards no deal, WTO rules and squirells for dinner!
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Sammy Wilson was talking about the PM not only not delivering on the promises made for the confidence-and-supply arrangement to exist but also not delivering on the Tories own election manifesto that ultimately led to the confidence-and-supply arrangement being required. She could be in the shit because the most powerful woman in British politics (not even an elected MP) might be about to pull the rug out from underneath her. If that happens it could well be general election time.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,392
fernandopartridge said:
No deal is no good for the DUP either, how can they vote against May's proposal in reality? They'd finish themselves (which is good).
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They can’t as they’ll be effectively aligning themselves to an IRA poster boy
 
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fellatio_Martinez

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,393
Tony Blair says May's decision will impact people's lives.

Yeah, like the hundreds of thousands of people you sentenced to death for no good reason. War criminal scumbag.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,394
Astute said:
Two people that think what?
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Remainers who think Jezza is remain
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,395
fernandopartridge said:
No deal is no good for the DUP either, how can they vote against May's proposal in reality? They'd finish themselves (which is good).
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I think voting for it is more likely to finish them as it would move Northern Ireland much closer to the South and that ultimately could mean a united Ireland. Personally I think they’re on life support anyway. To many people have enjoyed piece to listen to their antiquated politics, too many people want pro choice for women, too many people want equal rights for LGBT and they look to the south and see it happening.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,396
skybluetony176 said:
I think voting for it is more likely to finish them as it would move Northern Ireland much closer to the South and that ultimately could mean a united Ireland. Personally I think they’re on life support anyway. To many people have enjoyed piece to listen to their antiquated politics, too many people want pro choice for women, too many people want equal rights for LGBT and they look to the south and see it happening.
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They DUP are dinosaurs, no idea how anyone living in the 21C can vote for them.
 
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Astute

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,397
clint van damme said:
If you post something about him I disagree with I'll argue the point but ultimately I don't care what your opinion of him is.
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And here is my point.

You ask me why I don't like Bliar or Corbyn yet admit what they have done wrong. And you agreed about Bliar totally.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,398
Sick Boy said:
They DUP are dinosaurs, no idea how anyone living in the 21C can vote for them.
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If I lived with the rest of my family Foster would be my MLA and historical it would be expected that I would vote for her. I wouldn’t in a million years and although some of the older generation of my family would and do, the younger generations won’t for the most part. Her supporters are a dying breed from what I can see and understand from my own family.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,399
Sick Boy said:
They DUP are dinosaurs, no idea how anyone living in the 21C can vote for them.
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Protestants do blindly just as Sinn Fein on the republican side and labour strongholds and Tory strongholds all over Great Britain.
These areas would vote for a monkey if it represented them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,400
Sick Boy said:
They DUP are dinosaurs, no idea how anyone living in the 21C can vote for them.
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Because the only other option is a party that endorsed blowing women’s brains out on deserted beaches while their children screamed
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,401
How long will it take for this to be put to parliament to vote?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,402
fernandopartridge said:
It's a capitalist club that throws the odd bone in to make it look as if it has some degree of care for citizens. It certainly isn't socialist and only a moron would think otherwise. They way it behaves at times is comparable with the way any federation would including the USSR, but that's just what it is.
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I’ve no strong opinions either way on the capitalist/Marxist EU thing, but this criticism always sounds like the old BBC criticism from both right and left, which means it was probably slap bang in the center in general.

The issues with the EU seem to be the issues with government full stop. Too centralised and it doesn’t meet localised need, becomes bureaucratic and open to lobbying and corruption, too small and it can’t tackle major society scale problems like climate change, tax avoidance and poverty.

I’ve never seen an anti-EU argument that couldn’t be scaled for any other layer of government until you’re demanding Brexit from everything from the UN to your local Neighbourhood Watch. We know it’s better to stay and influence there, what makes the EU so special?
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,403
Grendel said:
Because the only other option is a party that endorsed blowing women’s brains out on deserted beaches while their children screamed
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is it the killing on a beach that you object to because the DUP has links to groups that have killed women in front of their children so it can't be that your objecting to or that would by hypocritical.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,404
Grendel said:
Because the only other option is a party that endorsed blowing women’s brains out on deserted beaches while their children screamed
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The DUP are connected to the UVF and the UDA who are both guilty of kidnapping and murder also. If there’s an alternative to the DUP it’s the UUP, who also have links to terrorism. Welcome to Northern Ireland politics. Yes it really is that bad.
 
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dutchman

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,405
Barnier has confirmed that Northern Ireland will be treated differently from the rest of the UK:
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,406
westcountry_skyblue said:
Protestants do blindly just as Sinn Fein on the republican side and labour strongholds and Tory strongholds all over Great Britain.
These areas would vote for a monkey if it represented them.
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I know both Protestants and Catholics from the north and none of them would ever vote for either. Rather interestingly they all hold both British and Irish passports.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,407
Sick Boy said:
I know both Protestants and Catholics from the north and none of them would ever vote for either. Rather interestingly they all hold both British and Irish passports.
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Then they can use the powers in the Surrender treaty to leave can’t they
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,408
shmmeee said:
I’ve no strong opinions either way on the capitalist/Marxist EU thing, but this criticism always sounds like the old BBC criticism from both right and left, which means it was probably slap bang in the center in general.

The issues with the EU seem to be the issues with government full stop. Too centralised and it doesn’t meet localised need, becomes bureaucratic and open to lobbying and corruption, too small and it can’t tackle major society scale problems like climate change, tax avoidance and poverty.

I’ve never seen an anti-EU argument that couldn’t be scaled for any other layer of government until you’re demanding Brexit from everything from the UN to your local Neighbourhood Watch. We know it’s better to stay and influence there, what makes the EU so special?
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Jesus wept
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,409
skybluetony176 said:
I think voting for it is more likely to finish them as it would move Northern Ireland much closer to the South and that ultimately could mean a united Ireland. Personally I think they’re on life support anyway. To many people have enjoyed piece to listen to their antiquated politics, too many people want pro choice for women, too many people want equal rights for LGBT and they look to the south and see it happening.
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That's the irony of their apparent policy of alignment with rUK on Brexit, they pick and choose what they like when it comes to other subjects.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,410
I don't know if this is tinfoil hat time, but I can't help but think this deal has been put together in this way so to make the remainers and leavers both unhappy.

So unhappy there ends up being another vote.

Another vote that would include a 'remain' option.

Not trying to come across as a twat, but this whole thing stinks...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,411
Astute said:
Free higher education? Most of us couldn't afford to take up free education. It was only for those with rich or very well off parents. You were self funded. These days you have many taking courses that don't give qualifications that will do any good. Then they complain they have debt for nothing. I couldn't afford higher education after finishing school. I had to work and study at the same time.

Your generation moans about high house prices. But then want a big reason of it to continue.

Crashing the world economy? Which one was that? It happens about every 18 years. It happened when I was a kid. Interest rates of 15%. It happened 10 years ago. And it will continue to happen.

Climate change? Has been going on for hundreds of years if you blame pollution for everything. But these days everyone wants a car. Everyone wants more goods. The generations you blame hardly had anything.
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The money taken from my salary to pay off the £35k of student debt isn't enough to pay off the interest never mind the loans. The 2008 recession was the worst since 1929 and happened just as I went off to university. I graduated 5 years after that with a 1st class Masters and industrial experience but nobody was hiring. As for climate change it has gone on steroids in the past few decades despite there being far more evidence than there was for those around in the industrial revolution. Oh, and let's not forget the long list of failed military interventions. And the tremendous shit show that constitutes Brexit.

Instead the government denies young people a living wage, takes away maintenance grants and EMA, and refuses to fund education in line with inflation.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,412
fernandopartridge said:
It's a capitalist club that throws the odd bone in to make it look as if it has some degree of care for citizens. It certainly isn't socialist and only a moron would think otherwise. They way it behaves at times is comparable with the way any federation would including the USSR, but that's just what it is.
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You got any examples?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,413
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't know if this is tinfoil hat time, but I can't help but think this deal has been put together in this way so to make the remainers and leavers both unhappy.

So unhappy there ends up being another vote.

Another vote that would include a 'remain' option.

Not trying to come across as a twat, but this whole thing stinks...
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I think this will lead to a no deal but it's strange that May mentioned Brexit not happening.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,414
westcountry_skyblue said:
Protestants do blindly just as Sinn Fein on the republican side and labour strongholds and Tory strongholds all over Great Britain.
These areas would vote for a monkey if it represented them.
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Simplistic and not really true as the SDLP has mostly been more popular than SF. Likewise the UUP have mostly achieved more votes than the DUP. Both more moderate.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,415
Grendel said:
Then they can use the powers in the Surrender treaty to leave can’t they
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Not sure what you're going on about.
 
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