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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,346
Astute said:
That is the problem with younger voters and politicians. They can't remember being lied to like the rest of us can. Corbyn offered them what they wanted. What could go wrong.......
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It is not as if they haven't had recent lessons in the duplicity of our wonderful politicians.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,347
skybluetony176 said:
It will take them another 4 hours to agree on the toppings
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Maybe not!
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,348
Captain Dart said:
It is not as if they haven't had recent lessons in the duplicity of our wonderful politicians.
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can't recall anyone saying Brexit would lead to world war 3.
No deal probably will lead to recession, (remember we won't be leaving in 2018 it will be 2019).
Let's see how we get on with those trade deals, do you still believe Liam Foxs assertion that we will be signing dozens the day after we leave because even he has reneged on that.

The picture you've posted is a photo shop. The 350 million for the NHS bus wasn't.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,349
Astute said:
That is the problem with younger voters and politicians. They can't remember being lied to like the rest of us can. Corbyn offered them what they wanted. What could go wrong.......
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Not quite true though, is it? Plenty were lied to my Clegg and the Lib Dems
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,350
Some suggestion is she may be gone by tonight
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,351
Sick Boy said:
I'd rather have the EU to keep a government like the Tories in check to a certain extent than letting them have free reign.
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But they don't. Why are public services such as NHS open to competition and bidding from private companies? It isn't solely because of the Tories. The EU drives all this, it's a big part of the concept of a single market. I'm afraid some people naively think a single market is all nice stuff like being able to travel around Europe visa free, it isn't.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,352
Sick Boy said:
Not quite true though, is it? Plenty were lied to my Clegg and the Lib Dems
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Yes and the same reason they voted for him was why they voted for Corbyn - reduced student loans

What principals they have
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,353
Grendel said:
Some suggestion is she may be gone by tonight
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looking inevitable.
Let's face it, whichever leader of which ever party delivers brexit (or doesn't), they're going to have an all out civil war in their party on their hands.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,354
Captain Dart said:
Maybe not!
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Just watching channel four news and apparently the microphone has been put out and she’s expected to be out in the next few minutes.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,355
skybluetony176 said:
Just watching channel four news and apparently the microphone has been put out and she’s expected to be out in the next few minutes.
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The Microphone is taking over as Prime Minister forthwith
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,356
clint van damme said:
looking inevitable.
Let's face it, whichever leader of which ever party delivers brexit (or doesn't), they're going to have an all out civil war in their party on their hands.
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Indeed - The gruesome heirs to Blair - Thornberry and Starmer are lining up to disobey Corbyn and shove a knife in his back
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,357
Grendel said:
Yes and the same reason they voted for him was why they voted for Corbyn - reduced student loans

What principals they have
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I know plenty of young people who voted for both of them and didn't go to university.

Should older generations pay a lump sum to make up for their grants back in the day?
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,358
This sounds like it’s a total sell-out of a deal to me. Can’t say I’m at all surprised because I lost any trust and confidence in this useless PM ages ago.

…so bad in fact that it makes remaining in the EU looks a better option.

She could easily be gone before the night's out.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,359
clint van damme said:
I don't care if Blair implemented all of his manifesto, he went to war based on a lie and set the world alight, he should be in the Hague.
And just out of curiosity, you claim to be a Labour supporter but don't support Corbyn and by the tone of the post I've quoted didn't support Blair. So when was it you supported labour?
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Is being a Labour voter meaning I must forget what the leaders have done?

You have said in the same post about Bliar. I have just posted about Corbyn and how he changes his mind to suit what he wants the voters to think. Should I pretend to like either of them because I am a Labour voter?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,360
SIR ERNIE said:
This sounds like it’s a total sell-out of a deal to me. Can’t say I’m at all surprised because I lost any trust and confidence in this useless PM ages ago.

…so bad in fact that it makes remaining in the EU looks a better option.

She could easily be gone before the night's out.
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No suprised is it? May is like Mad Mart a Brussels whore. She doesn’t want out.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,361
clint van damme said:
Corbyn wants out, always had. If he's said different in an interview he's lying he's not the first politician is he?
And I said a long time ago in this thread, Europe will be the issue that finishes Corbyn, he won't be alone.
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But his lies are so blatant. And on a subject many are scrutinizing so much.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,362
Oh well she’s not gone yet. It’s going to Parliament
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,363
Astute said:
But his lies are so blatant. And on a subject many are scrutinizing so much.
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His lies are no more blatant than every other politician who's lied about their stance on the EU, and you'd find it easier to list the ones who haven't than those who have.

I reiterate, whatever he may have said, he wants us out.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,364
which news channels/ websites/radio stations are people following this on?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,365
clint van damme said:
His lies are no more blatant than every other politician who's lied about their stance on the EU, and you'd find it easier to list the ones who haven't than those who have.

I reiterate, whatever he may have said, he wants us out.
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I have always said he wants us out. It is a few of those who are remain at any cost that say he is a remainer.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,366
clint van damme said:
which news channels/ websites/radio stations are people following this on?
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SBT news.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,367
clint van damme said:
which news channels/ websites/radio stations are people following this on?
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Channel Four news
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,368
Captain Dart said:
European Amy was never going to happen...
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Wait a minute!
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It hasn’t happened and every country has a veto on this. So a complete EU army will not be appearing soon. Still it’s a good idea.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,369
SIR ERNIE said:
This sounds like it’s a total sell-out of a deal to me. Can’t say I’m at all surprised because I lost any trust and confidence in this useless PM ages ago.

…so bad in fact that it makes remaining in the EU looks a better option.

She could easily be gone before the night's out.
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Her record as Home Secretary should have been enough.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,370
In reality today was probably the easy part. Got to get it through Parliament now which looks impossible at this moment in time.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,371
Astute said:
I have always said he wants us out. It is a few of those who are remain at any cost that say he is a remainer.
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On here? I only know two people in real life who actually think that.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,372
skybluetony176 said:
In reality today was probably the easy part. Got to get it through Parliament now which looks impossible at this moment in time.
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the DUP won't be having any of it for a start.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,373
fernandopartridge said:
But they don't. Why are public services such as NHS open to competition and bidding from private companies? It isn't solely because of the Tories. The EU drives all this, it's a big part of the concept of a single market. I'm afraid some people naively think a single market is all nice stuff like being able to travel around Europe visa free, it isn't.
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Is that not down to domestic policy? What about the environment? I'd much rather trust the EU than looking to open up the country to the Trump administration.

It's hard to keep up whether it is a capitalist club for fat cats or the EUSSR at times
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,374
Ashdown said:
It is completely unsustainable for the UK to continue to take 250,000 people a year from wherever. Hopefully a control on EU migration will be followed by a stricter points based policy on all incomers apart from perhaps a quota of the most desperate genuine refugees.
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I doubt whether EU migration would continue at that rate as average wages in former East Bloc countries are rising. More like non EU migrants will be caring for the baby boomers when they are older. Refugee quota is Merkel’s aim.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,375
Grendel said:
Oh well she’s not gone yet. It’s going to Parliament
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And it will fall flat on its face, what then?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,376
clint van damme said:
the DUP won't be having any of it for a start.
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She’s meeting Arlene Foster tonight apparently.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,377
skybluetony176 said:
In reality today was probably the easy part. Got to get it through Parliament now which looks impossible at this moment in time.
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cabinet were initially on board with chequers then resignations followed. I suspect cabinet view will change significantly over coming days.
Once the full details of the deal start to get scrutinised I reckon those MPs who support it will come under huge pressure to reject this halfway house cock up.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,378
The Blair creature is back - the interview he gave on C4 was a chilling reminder of what the EU is about.

It should be played over and over again
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,379
Sick Boy said:
And it will fall flat on its face, what then?
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We leave with no deal
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2018
  • #23,380
clint van damme said:
His lies are no more blatant than every other politician who's lied about their stance on the EU, and you'd find it easier to list the ones who haven't than those who have.

I reiterate, whatever he may have said, he wants us out.
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Are you trying to get me to like him?
 
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