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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,391
Sick Boy said:
If it appears that there is a clear majority in favour of a second vote, then surely to deny people the vote is anything but democratic?
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But there isn’t
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,392
Grendel said:
But there isn’t
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There's neither a clear majority in favour of the current government's plans.

Fancy a £20 charity bet that her Chequers deal won't get through parliament?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,393
SIR ERNIE said:
Yep, makes you wonder why we bother with the tedious process of voting doesn’t it Mart?

Bollox to the democratic process, much easier to commission a few organisations to conduct a poll, take an average and job’s done.

As long as we get the right answer that is.
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Exactly. That is what happened. The democratic process was manipulated by dodgy people and 30s style propaganda. Now the facts are coming out it is time for an open and fair democratic vote based on known facts.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,394
Sick Boy said:
There's neither a clear majority in favour of the current government's plans.

Fancy a £20 charity bet that her Chequers deal won't get through parliament?
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I don’t think it will then we will have an interim holding arrangement with the EU so basic needs and requirements are met
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,395
martcov said:
Exactly. That is what happened. The democratic process was manipulated by dodgy people and 30s style propaganda. Now the facts are coming out it is time for an open and fair democratic vote based on known facts.
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Dodgy 30’s style propaganda is right up your street.

We are leaving Europe so forget it

The game is over
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,396
Sick Boy said:
There's neither a clear majority in favour of the current government's plans.

Fancy a £20 charity bet that her Chequers deal won't get through parliament?
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Count me in on that. Chequers won’t get through in the present form. Any takers? Plus there will be impasse and either an election or secondary vote.. based on facts will be the only way out.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,397
Grendel said:
Dodgy 30’s style propaganda is right up your street.

We are leaving Europe so forget it

The game is over
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That's going to be tough considering we are in Europe
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,398
Grendel said:
I don’t think it will then we will have an interim holding arrangement with the EU so basic needs and requirements are met
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what's your taken on your employer's recent comments about Brexit?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,399
Sick Boy said:
what's your taken on your employer's recent comments about Brexit?
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Strategic
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,400
Grendel said:
Dodgy 30’s style propaganda is right up your street.

We are leaving Europe so forget it

The game is over
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Well at least I recognised the con well in advance. Maybe living in a country that actually did put itself first at all costs, persecuted a religious minority that it they blamed for the decline of the country, and literally did away with lefties, foreigners and gays, did help me see through the rhetoric of leading leave bullshitters. At the end of the day it lay in ruins was invaded by foreigners and lost a large chunk of it‘s territory. Started off as make Germany great again... sovereign state ( walk out of League of Nations ), take control of borders ( march into the Rheinland), currency strong again ( until they had to raid the Austrian gold from the central bank at the Anschluss )... all been done before. I personally can’t stand people spouting out slogans about sovereignty, laws, currency etc, reminds me of modern history.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,401
martcov said:
Well at least I recognised the con well in advance. Maybe living in a country that actually did put itself first at all costs, persecuted a religious minority that it they blamed for the decline of the country, and literally did away with lefties, foreigners and gays, did help me see through the rhetoric of leading leave bullshitters. At the end of the day it lay in ruins was invaded by foreigners and lost a large chunk of it‘s territory. Started off as make Germany great again... sovereign state ( walk out of League of Nations ), take control of borders ( march into the Rheinland), currency strong again ( until they had to raid the Austrian gold from the central bank at the Anschluss )... all been done before. I personally can’t stand people spouting out slogans about sovereignty, laws, currency etc, reminds me of modern history.
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No Mart you are obsessed with Europe. It’s ironic you talk about “the con” as you see totally brainwashed and have bought the European utopia lie from day one. Probably as unlike the downtrodden victims of the Brussels machine it pays you well.

Keep up the good work though as your bigoted brainwashed diatribe is the best advert we have to vote leave.
 
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martcov

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  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,402
Grendel said:
No Mart you are obsessed with Europe. It’s ironic you talk about “the con” as you see totally brainwashed and have bought the European utopia lie from day one. Probably as unlike the downtrodden victims of the Brussels machine it pays you well.

Keep up the good work though as your bigoted brainwashed diatribe is the best advert we have to vote leave.
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I would say you saying that you have always hated the evil EU would put in you in the class of bigotry, as you are not interested in any debate on the issue and just revert to insulting people when challenged.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,403
Sick Boy said:
If it appears that there is a clear majority in favour of a second vote, then surely to deny people the vote is anything but democratic?
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21% want another vote. Is that the majority that you want?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,404
martcov said:
Well at least I recognised the con well in advance. Maybe living in a country that actually did put itself first at all costs, persecuted a religious minority that it they blamed for the decline of the country, and literally did away with lefties, foreigners and gays, did help me see through the rhetoric of leading leave bullshitters. At the end of the day it lay in ruins was invaded by foreigners and lost a large chunk of it‘s territory. Started off as make Germany great again... sovereign state ( walk out of League of Nations ), take control of borders ( march into the Rheinland), currency strong again ( until they had to raid the Austrian gold from the central bank at the Anschluss )... all been done before. I personally can’t stand people spouting out slogans about sovereignty, laws, currency etc, reminds me of modern history.
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Con?

A polite way of explaining how Selmayr got the top job in the EU.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,405
martcov said:
I would say you saying that you have always hated the evil EU would put in you in the class of bigotry, as you are not interested in any debate on the issue and just revert to insulting people when challenged.
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I'm glad I don't ever get insulted on here
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,406
Astute said:
I'm glad I don't ever get insulted on here
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not by me...
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,407
Astute said:
Con?

A polite way of explaining how Selmayr got the top job in the EU.
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the referendum wasn't about Selmayr, it was about the future of the UK. I count that as more important than Juncker or Selmayr.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,408
Astute said:
21% want another vote. Is that the majority that you want?
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wrong poll.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,409
Astute said:
21% want another vote. Is that the majority that you want?
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If you genuinely believe that then you're very much out of touch.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,410
Astute said:
I'm glad I don't ever get insulted on here
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When do you get insulted?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,411
Grendel said:
Strategic
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In what way?
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,412
Sick Boy said:
Fancy a £20 charity bet that her Chequers deal won't get through parliament?
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Haha you won't get many takers for that bet, Chequers has virtually no chance.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,413
martcov said:
Well at least I recognised the con well in advance. Maybe living in a country that actually did put itself first at all costs, persecuted a religious minority that it they blamed for the decline of the country, and literally did away with lefties, foreigners and gays, did help me see through the rhetoric of leading leave bullshitters. At the end of the day it lay in ruins was invaded by foreigners and lost a large chunk of it‘s territory. Started off as make Germany great again... sovereign state ( walk out of League of Nations ), take control of borders ( march into the Rheinland), currency strong again ( until they had to raid the Austrian gold from the central bank at the Anschluss )... all been done before. I personally can’t stand people spouting out slogans about sovereignty, laws, currency etc, reminds me of modern history.
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I wish people had spent as much time in Northern Ireland as I did as a kid during the troubles and then been lucky enough to see the peace process and GFA come to be. Even as a kid I could see that the hatred was breeding more hatred, it became self perpetuating and was spiralling out of control. People in the rest of the U.K. would watch it on TV and think they understood what was happening and they really didn’t. Otherwise decent people did a lot of things or turned a blind eye to things that they simply wouldn’t have done in a different environment or atmosphere. Sure there was some pure evil bastards, usually commanding not committing but there was a brain washed generation willing to latch onto these false hopes because of the environment that they were born into. Sadly I see a lot of parallels with the environment in the U.K. at the moment. The us or them environment is toxic.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,414
SIR ERNIE said:
Haha you won't get many takers for that bet, Chequers has virtually no chance.
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Which Brexit did you vote for? Were you ever asked about the single market, Norway, Canada ++, NoDeal ( it will be booming in 50 years time- Rees Mogg )? If not, may I suggest it was a con and a mockery of what you refer to as democracy?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,415
Sick Boy said:
In what way?
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Basically blackmail .... frictionless supply chains or we’re off..

Fair play to him.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,416
Sick Boy said:
And yeah, experts know nothing at all, do they? Let's just discard whatever they say.
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Which almost, but not quite, nothing like what I side

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,417
Grendel said:
You do know why the poll you produced is funny don’t you?
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Oh god struth. He is STILL in denial

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,418
Sick Boy said:
If it appears that there is a clear majority in favour of a second vote, then surely to deny people the vote is anything but democratic?
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There has more often than not been an overwhelming majority of people in favour of brimging back the death penalty in surveys. MP'S have had a vote on it & chucked it out.
Lies, lies & statistics...& then there is doing the right thing by the standards we choose to function at. So no on two counts...it is NOT clear that a majority is in favour of a second vote (the numbers change with every story probably) - so denying the people (? SOME) a second vote is not undemocratic. Otherwise we would be in the pollbooths 8hrs 3 days a week probably.

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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,419
skybluetony176 said:
I wish people had spent as much time in Northern Ireland as I did as a kid during the troubles and then been lucky enough to see the peace process and GFA come to be.
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it would be handy if a few of them read the GFA to start with because clearly most of them haven't got a clue.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,420
clint van damme said:
it would be handy if a few of them read the GFA to start with because clearly most of them haven't got a clue.
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It’s pretty absurd to try and say that we should not leave the EU in case it has an impact on a tiny proportion of the UK population
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,421
SIR ERNIE said:
Haha you won't get many takers for that bet, Chequers has virtually no chance.
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totally agree.
Sure to e followed by a leadership challenge. Do you think it will lead to a general election?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,422
clint van damme said:
totally agree.
Sure to e followed by a leadership challenge. Do you think it will lead to a general election?
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Yep, almost certainly. Personally I think a Corbyn government is inevitable.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,423
clint van damme said:
totally agree.
Sure to e followed by a leadership challenge. Do you think it will lead to a general election?
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Why will it? I would then assume we will
Just leave with no deal and an interim compromise on base elements will be found
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,424
Sick Boy said:
Yep, almost certainly. Personally I think a Corbyn government is inevitable.
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Fancy a bet on that?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2018
  • #19,425
Grendel said:
It’s pretty absurd to try and say that we should not leave the EU in case it has an impact on a tiny proportion of the UK population
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that's a valid opinion. But it is equally absurd to say we can leave the customs union and maintain a 'soft' border. Under the framework of the GFA we can't.
 
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