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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (32 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,551
martcov said:
Yes. It is. You seem also annoyed by it.
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Annoyed?

The worse thing you have ever said about Juncker and the countless billions he has cost us. What a joke.
 

Astute

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,552
martcov said:
That is an opinion. There is no rush to leave the Euro because of the disaster that would follow. Also in the article. Some of the article I agree with, other parts I think are too simplistic.

Mainly the idea that Southern Europe became poorer than Northern Europe because of the Euro. It was poorer before the Eurozone. Also, the Euro has brought savings in currency transactions and stability. This must be factored in.

Simply blaming everything on the Euro is not the answer. Putting up suggestions to improve the situation such as transfers to balance out negative effects or appointing an Eurozone Finance minister would be more constructive.
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Just an opinion?

OK not a pro EU opinion. But an honest opinion. Are you saying that your hero Warren Buffett is wrong? As in the link I provided for you?

So which part do you not understand? Currencies go up and down depending on the outlook of the countries that use them. Germany and Greece have the same currency along with other very weak economies. So what makes the Euro go up and down. Is it the strength of Germany or the weakness of Greece and similar?

Yet you say it is just an opinion.

So Buffett says the best thing for the countries in the EU and Euro would be for Germany to leave the Euro. But he also says that it won't happen because Germany benefits from it too much. That is the one suggestion that would work. Otherwise it will be nothing but firefighting to keep the other economies from collapsing.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,553
Astute said:
Annoyed?

The worse thing you have ever said about Juncker and the countless billions he has cost us. What a joke.
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You keep posting negative things about Juncker. I say, I agree. I say he bent the law to the limit with Selmayr, but it was deemed legal.

Yes, I am annoyed. What else am I expected to do? I can vote for a party of which he was not nominated as candidate by in the EU elections. What will you be doing?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,554
Astute said:
Just an opinion?

OK not a pro EU opinion. But an honest opinion. Are you saying that your hero Warren Buffett is wrong? As in the link I provided for you?

So which part do you not understand? Currencies go up and down depending on the outlook of the countries that use them. Germany and Greece have the same currency along with other very weak economies. So what makes the Euro go up and down. Is it the strength of Germany or the weakness of Greece and similar?

Yet you say it is just an opinion.

So Buffett says the best thing for the countries in the EU and Euro would be for Germany to leave the Euro. But he also says that it won't happen because Germany benefits from it too much. That is the one suggestion that would work. Otherwise it will be nothing but firefighting to keep the other economies from collapsing.
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I missed that about Warren Buffet. Which link was that in? I thought the opinion was by a Guardian staff journalist. I was more in favour of Macron‘s ideas for a solution which he mentioned in the article. I assume Macron knows more about the Euro as he was a Minister in the French government before he became President.

I haven’t read up on Warren Buffet‘s opinions on the Euro.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,555
Astute said:
Just an opinion?

OK not a pro EU opinion. But an honest opinion. Are you saying that your hero Warren Buffett is wrong? As in the link I provided for you?

? Seemed anti Euro to me. A bit over simplified. I have never mentioned Warren Buffett up until now. How do you know whether he is my hero or not? You don’t. You just say things.

I respect what he has achieved and the little I seen or heard about him, shows him to be a relatively decent person ( compared to the likes of Trump, Banks etc ).

So which part do you not understand? Currencies go up and down depending on the outlook of the countries that use them. Germany and Greece have the same currency along with other very weak economies. So what makes the Euro go up and down. Is it the strength of Germany or the weakness of Greece and similar?
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Why do you think the pound keeps going down? Do you think that the outlook based on Brexit is perceived by investors to be negative? Or do you think investors are backing Brexit as the sensible way forward?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,556
Astute said:
Just an opinion?

OK not a pro EU opinion. But an honest opinion. Are you saying that your hero Warren Buffett is wrong? As in the link I provided for you?

So which part do you not understand? Currencies go up and down depending on the outlook of the countries that use them. Germany and Greece have the same currency along with other very weak economies. So what makes the Euro go up and down. Is it the strength of Germany or the weakness of Greece and similar?

Yet you say it is just an opinion.

So Buffett says the best thing for the countries in the EU and Euro would be for Germany to leave the Euro. But he also says that it won't happen because Germany benefits from it too much. That is the one suggestion that would work. Otherwise it will be nothing but firefighting to keep the other economies from collapsing.
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? Seemed anti Euro to me. A bit over simplified. I have never mentioned Warren Buffett up until now. How do you know whether he is my hero or not? You don’t. You just say things.

I respect what he has achieved and the little I seen or heard about him, shows him to be a relatively decent person ( compared to the likes of Trump, Banks etc )
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,557
martcov said:
You keep posting negative things about Juncker. I say, I agree. I say he bent the law to the limit with Selmayr, but it was deemed legal.

Yes, I am annoyed. What else am I expected to do? I can vote for a party of which he was not nominated as candidate by in the EU elections. What will you be doing?
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How can something against all rules and regulations be right?

It wasn't a law that was broke. So not illegal. The way Selmayr was put in place was against everything that the EU says. But you saying about laws is also totally wrong. It just shows how much they don't follow their own rules and regulations. Yet he has kept the top job when everyone knows he shouldn't have got it.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,558
martcov said:
I missed that about Warren Buffet. Which link was that in? I thought the opinion was by a Guardian staff journalist. I was more in favour of Macron‘s ideas for a solution which he mentioned in the article. I assume Macron knows more about the Euro as he was a Minister in the French government before he became President.

I haven’t read up on Warren Buffet‘s opinions on the Euro.
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You were delighted when Buffett said we should stay in the EU. Would probably earn him more billions.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,559
martcov said:
Why do you think the pound keeps going down? Do you think that the outlook based on Brexit is perceived by investors to be negative? Or do you think investors are backing Brexit as the sensible way forward?
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The pound goes up and down. But as usual you only notice the down part.

So is the Euro a massive benefit to Germany?
 
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Cov City Daytrader 87

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,560
Euro has gone down against the pound, whilst sterling has jumped to $1.30 on the news.

GBP USD News - FXStreet
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,561
Astute said:
How can something against all rules and regulations be right?

It wasn't a law that was broke. So not illegal. The way Selmayr was put in place was against everything that the EU says. But you saying about laws is also totally wrong. It just shows how much they don't follow their own rules and regulations. Yet he has kept the top job when everyone knows he shouldn't have got it.
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The enquiry said it was within the law. Not in the spirit of the law. Law counts above spirit.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,562
Astute said:
The pound goes up and down. But as usual you only notice the down part.

So is the Euro a massive benefit to Germany?
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The Euro is a benefit to Europe as a whole. Now answer the question. Please.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,563
Cov City Daytrader 87 said:
Euro has gone down against the pound, whilst sterling has jumped to $1.30 on the news.

GBP USD News - FXStreet
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52 weeks 1.0745-1.1600 now around 1.11
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,564
Astute said:
You were delighted when Buffett said we should stay in the EU. Would probably earn him more billions.
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I don’t even remember Buffet saying that. I certainly didn’t mention it. I think he earned enough billions from Trump’s tax reform without even doing anything. He was probably right about staying in the EU though. Where’s your mate? .. richest man in Britain... Iegged it to Monaco ( euro country ) was the last I heard.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,565
Cov City Daytrader 87 said:
Euro has gone down against the pound, whilst sterling has jumped to $1.30 on the news.

GBP USD News - FXStreet
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What news is that? Barnier offers Canada or Norway deal? Both unacceptable to Brexiters. BINO. Which is what has been predicted for ages on here. No cakery.
 

Astute

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,566
martcov said:
The Euro is a benefit to Europe as a whole. Now answer the question. Please.
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What question?

And how about answering how is the Euro a benefit to the poorer countries when it is tied to how Germany does as well.
 

Astute

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,567
martcov said:
The enquiry said it was within the law. Not in the spirit of the law. Law counts above spirit.
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Within what law?

It was against everything rule and regulation that the EU has when voting in someone. But it isn't a law. So no law was broken. They just broke their word.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,568
martcov said:
52 weeks 1.0745-1.1600 now around 1.11
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What happened to you saying the pound is constantly going down?
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,569
Astute said:
What happened to you saying the pound is constantly going down?
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1. I didn’t. 2. It is lower than before Brexit.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,570
Astute said:
Within what law?

It was against everything rule and regulation that the EU has when voting in someone. But it isn't a law. So no law was broken. They just broke their word.
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It was an appointment not an election. There was no voting. Thereshould have been other candidates and the job should have been better advertised. Not law, but good practice.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,571
Astute said:
What question?

And how about answering how is the Euro a benefit to the poorer countries when it is tied to how Germany does as well.
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Which countries? How do you judge benefits? I remember Italy saying they would have the advantage of knowing how much their costs were and could calculate their price/ profit better without having to buy and sell currencies in advance. This saves costs. Internal Euro transfers cost the same as inland transfers. Greece was poorer and lived beyond it’s means until the crash in 2008. no one was complaining then. Undoubtedly things should be improved. Macron is right with his ideas. Especially the transfer between rich and poor states. As happens in Germany. And with a finance minister and closer fiscal policies.
 

dutchman

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,572
martcov said:
1. I didn’t. 2. It is lower than before Brexit.
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It's lower because the BoE lowered interest rates after Brexit when they said beforehand that interest rates would have to rise because of Brexit.

Brexit itself had no effect on the value of the Pound, one way or the other.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,573
dutchman said:
It's lower because the BoE lowered interest rates after Brexit when they said beforehand that interest rates would have to rise because of Brexit.

Brexit itself had no effect on the value of the Pound, one way
or the other.
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Not true. The Daily Mail claims that the pound has soared because of Barnier saying we will get a great deal. Went down when May said no deal won’t be the end of the world.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,574
martcov said:
1. I didn’t. 2. It is lower than before Brexit.
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Which has been a huge benefit to many manufacturers
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,575
martcov said:
Why do you think the pound keeps going down? Do you think that the outlook based on Brexit is perceived by investors to be negative? Or do you think investors are backing Brexit as the sensible way forward?
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martcov said:
1. I didn’t. 2. It is lower than before Brexit.
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Top post on this page. And done this morning.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,576
martcov said:
It was an appointment not an election. There was no voting. Thereshould have been other candidates and the job should have been better advertised. Not law, but good practice.
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Should have been an election. And he wasn't allowed to apply as he didn't have a position already that allowed him to go for the post. They named two people who were going to be voted for. Then instantly the other one pulled out.

But you know this.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,577
martcov said:
Which countries? How do you judge benefits? I remember Italy saying they would have the advantage of knowing how much their costs were and could calculate their price/ profit better without having to buy and sell currencies in advance. This saves costs. Internal Euro transfers cost the same as inland transfers. Greece was poorer and lived beyond it’s means until the crash in 2008. no one was complaining then. Undoubtedly things should be improved. Macron is right with his ideas. Especially the transfer between rich and poor states. As happens in Germany. And with a finance minister and closer fiscal policies.
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Alright Mart. So countries that are poor benefit from a currency much stronger than they would have if it was down to how they are doing with their own currency. And Germany doesn't benefit from a currency that is much weaker than they would have if they had their own currency.

And you know more than Warren Buffett with finances :smuggrin:
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,578
Astute said:
Top post on this page. And done this morning.
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ok. It has gone down. It has now jumped back. On the whole it is down.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,579
Astute said:
Alright Mart. So countries that are poor benefit from a currency much stronger than they would have if it was down to how they are doing with their own currency. And Germany doesn't benefit from a currency that is much weaker than they would have if they had their own currency.

And you know more than Warren Buffett with finances :smuggrin:
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I haven't heard what Warren Buffet says. I asked you to post the link.
 

Astute

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,580
martcov said:
Not true. The Daily Mail claims that the pound has soared because of Barnier saying we will get a great deal. Went down when May said no deal won’t be the end of the world.
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Here we go again.

You come out with what sort of rag the Mail is and say it shouldn't be used. But then you quote it.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,581
Astute said:
Should have been an election. And he wasn't allowed to apply as he didn't have a position already that allowed him to go for the post. They named two people who were going to be voted for. Then instantly the other one pulled out.

But you know this.
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What was the election called? Who was allowed to vote?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,582
Astute said:
Alright Mart. So countries that are poor benefit from a currency much stronger than they would have if it was down to how they are doing with their own currency. And Germany doesn't benefit from a currency that is much weaker than they would have if they had their own currency.

And you know more than Warren Buffett with finances :smuggrin:
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It’s idiotic. The ability to devalue currency is a weapon every country wants to exploit in times of economic downturn.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,583
Grendel said:
It’s idiotic. The ability to devalue currency is a weapon every country wants to exploit in times of economic downturn.
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Yes. The United States, The Russian Federation and the Eurozone for example.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,584
Astute said:
Here we go again.

You come out with what sort of rag the Mail is and say it shouldn't be used. But then you quote it.
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It was sarcasm... but true... someone else referred to the „news“. I googled and saw that the Mail claimed that the pound had „soared“. That’s why I later told posted the spread in the last 52 weeks. It had gone up, but not „soared“. Which is why the Mail is, as you say, a rag.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 29, 2018
  • #18,585
martcov said:
Yes. The United States, The Russian Federation and the Eurozone for example.
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Be honest when it comes to monetary policy you are really found wanting. Your reply makes no sense
 
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