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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (18 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,486
skybluetony176 said:
It’s there for everyone to see you talk about the EU in the same vile tone as UKIP, you use the same language, you share the same values as UKIP and you echo their manifesto repeatedly. As I say, I never took you for a racist but according to you you share the same opinions and values as a (in your words not mine) racist party. Although Astute likes your post so clearly he’s going to give you a free pass on your claim as apparently it’s only “pro EU” posters who are out of order for making the same claim as you.
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So you have gone from defending UKIP to attacking them. Why is that? They haven't changed.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,487
Astute said:
La Lega are extremely racist. UKIP are not. UKIP did the UK a massive favour by taking the vote away from Britain First. Do you agree?
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No. Britain First is a British fascist political organisation, I don't think they stand for parliament.

I'm interested to know how you know so much about La Lega? What makes them "extremely racist" to you? Would a non-racist party enter an alliance with an 'extremely racist' party, as you describe them?
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,488
Sick Boy said:
Britain First are more extreme than La Lega (for the second time)
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In what way?

Both shouldn't exist. Just like AfD of Germany and many others that are growing at a fast rate throughout the EU.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,489
Astute said:
So tell SB if UKIP are extremely racist or not like he is saying they are.
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You tell Grendull then. With the same enthusiasm that you tell SB.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,490
Astute said:
In what way?

Both shouldn't exist. Just like AfD of Germany and many others that are growing at a fast rate throughout the EU.
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Having lived in a region and city that is very much a Lega stronghold, I can assure you they are nowhere near as bad as Britain First. I disagree with them a lot and think they are bigots, but I wouldn't put them down as extreme as BF, as I don't think UKIP are either.

With a country as young as Italy, it's hardly a surprise you're going to have separatists. However Salvini has somehow made voters in the south fall for his rhetoric, even though he has always despised them.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,491
Sick Boy said:
Where have I said 'they are extremely racist'?
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You haven’t to my knowledge. Free pass Grendull on the other hand...
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,492
Sick Boy said:
No. Britain First is a British fascist political organisation, I don't think they stand for parliament.
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Nobody wants them here. Not since UKIP started at least. They would hardly register here. You might not like UKIP as they stand against everything you want. Close ties to the EU. But I am happy with taking away the racist vote. And if you was honest you would say the same. But you are too pro EU to admit such.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,493
Sick Boy said:
Having lived in a region and city that is very much a Lega stronghold, I can assure you they are nowhere near as bad as Britain First. I disagree with them a lot and think they are bigots, but I wouldn't put them down as extreme as BF, as I don't think UKIP are either.
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I didn't say they were as extreme as Britain First. But they are much closer to BF than UKIP. Even you have to admit that.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,494
Astute said:
I didn't say they were as extreme as Britain First. But they are much closer to BF than UKIP. Even you have to admit that.
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No, I disagree. BF are even worse and more exteme.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,495
Astute said:
Nobody wants them here. Not since UKIP started at least. They would hardly register here. You might not like UKIP as they stand against everything you want. Close ties to the EU. But I am happy with taking away the racist vote. And if you was honest you would say the same. But you are too pro EU to admit such.
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Again, it's not a political party, it's a movement. Hoe many MPs did UKIP get?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,496
Sick Boy said:
No, I disagree. BF are even worse and more exteme.
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Try reading what I said.

Then answer properly.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,497
Anyhow. Meanwhile in the real world it turns out that we’re not at the front of the queue afterall Trump: Brexit plan could kill US trade deal
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,498
Sick Boy said:
Again, it's not a political party, it's a movement. Hoe many MPs did UKIP get?
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Do you mean before the Brexit vote or after?

That tells you why people voted for them.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,499
Astute said:
Try reading what I said.

Then answer properly.
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I've already said that both UKIP and Lega are less extreme the BF. The point I made about BF has zero to do with the debate
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,500
skybluetony176 said:
Anyhow. Meanwhile in the real world it turns out that we’re not at the front of the queue afterall Trump: Brexit plan could kill US trade deal
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So now you believe everything Trump says :smuggrin:
 

Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,501
skybluetony176 said:
Anyhow. Meanwhile in the real world it turns out that we’re not at the front of the queue afterall Trump: Brexit plan could kill US trade deal
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Hopefully May will take note...
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,502
Sick Boy said:
I've already said that both UKIP and Lega are less extreme the BF. The point I made about BF has zero to do with the debate
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So why make a point about BF when they have nothing to do with it?

Oh yes. I remember. You tried to compare La Lega with UKIP but those who know better compare La Lega with the NF and BF.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,503
Westendlad said:
Hopefully May will take note...
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May is onto a loser whatever she does.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,504
Astute said:
So now you believe everything Trump says :smuggrin:
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Given he’s said we were at the front of the queue and now out means out means we aren’t at the front of the queue I’ll take everything he says much the same as I always do. With a big pinch of salt.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,505
Astute said:
So why make a point about BF when they have nothing to do with it?

Oh yes. I remember. You tried to compare La Lega with UKIP but those who know better compare La Lega with the NF and BF.
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Hahaha! what's your direct experience of La Lega?

I really have no idea why you've started banging on about BF, probably to divert attention away, I guess.
 

Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,506
Astute said:
May is onto a loser whatever she does.
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I meant more that he's saying..Do what the voters asked for or fuck off !!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,507
Sick Boy said:
Hahaha! I did no such thing, you're just making it up as you go along. As those who know better is you in suppose the one who constantly flips between remain and leave.
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OK. So which part do you deny?

La Lega Nord

And I don't flip between the two. I can see good on leaving the EU. I can also see good in remaining in the EU. You only see good in us remaining in the EU and deny the rest.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,508
skybluetony176 said:
Given he’s said we were at the front of the queue and now out means out means we aren’t at the front of the queue I’ll take everything he says much the same as I always do. With a big pinch of salt.
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Didn't he recently go on about other countries interfering in other countries' business and then does the same thing here while undermining the PM.

He really is a massive moron
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,509
Astute said:
OK. So which part do you deny?

La Lega Nord

And I don't flip between the two. I can see good on leaving the EU. I can also see good in remaining in the EU. You only see good in us remaining in the EU and deny the rest.
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Apologies I read your initial post wrong. As I said, I lived in a city with a Lega mayor, I'm well aware of them.

And you do seem to constantly flip between sides. I'd be more understanding if you were balanced in your arguments but you're not.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,510
Sick Boy said:
Didn't he recently go on about other countries interfering in other countries' business and then does the same thing here while undermining the PM.

He really is a massive moron
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But would have been talking sense if he said we should continue to be ruled by the EU.....

Yes the bloke is a twat. But he should be a twat whatever he says.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,511
Sick Boy said:
Apologies I read your initial post wrong. As I said, I lived in a city with a Lega mayor, I'm well aware of them.

And you do seem to constantly flip between sides. I'd be more understanding if you were balanced in your arguments but you're not.
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And why is that?

You are either 100% pro EU or you are wrong to some on here. You are not allowed an opinion. You are not allowed to see anything good about leaving. And if you pick anyone up on anything who is pro EU you are not balanced in your arguments.

Strangely enough you never ever pick me up on any comment that is good about the EU. I'm trying to work that one out......
 

Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,512
That's a bloody good point Astute. I have i'm sure never read anything good said about the EU on this thread from the 3 'strange ones' ......!!
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,513
Former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain, say judges



"The fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain to face corruption charges, a German court has ruled.

Judges said, however, that Mr Puigdemont could not be sent back on the more serious charge of rebellion, which is not recognised under German law. The ruling by the superior regional court of Schleswig-Holstein means that Spain will be unable to try him for rebellion if he is extradited."

Yeah right, because Franco's Spanish torture squads are going to take any notice of what a German judge says!
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,514
Astute said:
La Lega are extremely racist. UKIP are not. UKIP did the UK a massive favour by taking the vote away from Britain First. Do you agree?
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UKIP did the UK no favours. Nigel Farage made the claim you are parroting. And it was not Britain First as the weren’t widely known before Brexit, he was referring to the BNP whose membership gleefully went over to UKIP and/ or voted leave. Same shit, different bucket. Not all UKIP or Brexit voters were previously BNP, but all BNP voters were anti EU. BNP was small and politically insignificant anyway.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,515
dutchman said:
Former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain, say judges



"The fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain to face corruption charges, a German court has ruled.

Judges said, however, that Mr Puigdemont could not be sent back on the more serious charge of rebellion, which is not recognised under German law. The ruling by the superior regional court of Schleswig-Holstein means that Spain will be unable to try him for rebellion if he is extradited."

Yeah right, because Franco's Spanish torture squads are going to take any notice of what a German judge says!
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How is Franco getting on? Haven’t heard much from him lately.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,516
Astute said:
In what way?

Both shouldn't exist. Just like AfD of Germany and many others that are growing at a fast rate throughout the EU.
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Are you now equating Britain first with AfD?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,517
Westendlad said:
Ok so everyone who voted UKIP is a racist ? I and lots of people i know including my Indian employers voted UKIP because we are sick to the death of the EU fucking up this country. I sometimes wonder Mart whether you are the racist and are trying to stir shit.
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? I am not involved in this discussion between Astute and Sick Boy. I also haven’t said all UKIP voters are racist. Judging by the comments of many of them in the past and that Farage has had to try and deny it several times, there are a significant amount of racists. Farage even boasts to saved us from BNP by taking their racist supporters. Farage is famous for using a copy of Goebels‘ „breaking point“ poster with Arabs instead of Eastern Jews. Farage also gives talks at AfD and Bannon‘s fund raisers. He now threatens a comeback to UKIP as possible leader. No absolute non racist party would have anything to do with him.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,518
Astute said:
Nobody wants them here. Not since UKIP started at least. They would hardly register here. You might not like UKIP as they stand against everything you want. Close ties to the EU. But I am happy with taking away the racist vote. And if you was honest you would say the same. But you are too pro EU to admit such.
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You are happy that UKIP is acceptable for BNP ( not Britain First as they are hard core and even further right than BNP and are still going it alone )? Why didn’t UKIP say „we don’t want BNP members coming to our party as they are racist „? They obviously want the racist voters. That they in effect joined forces to cause Brexit shows that racism is acceptable to UKIP.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,519
Astute said:
And why is that?

You are either 100% pro EU or you are wrong to some on here. You are not allowed an opinion. You are not allowed to see anything good about leaving. And if you pick anyone up on anything who is pro EU you are not balanced in your arguments.

Strangely enough you never ever pick me up on any comment that is good about the EU. I'm trying to work that one out......
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For someone who is not allowed an opinion you are doing quite well at turning everything into Juncker. No one claims the EU is perfect. Being pro EU doesn’t mean not wanting to reform it. It means that our of leave or remain, remain is the more sensible argument. The sheer chaos in the British government who are tasked with Brexit, shows that no one can agree what Brexit actually is, or how to go through with it without causing the country damage. One UKIP clown compared it to Colombus setting out to discover the Americas. That was a success, so let’s cast off into the unknown... with the livliehoods and well being of 65 million people. Amazing.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,520
martcov said:
How is Franco getting on? Haven’t heard much from him lately.
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Is that the best response you can manage?

His legacy is alive and well in Spain as proven by this bogus extraditon request.

Strange how Germany still refuses to extradite known war criminals?
 
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