Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
Forums New posts

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 462
  • 463
  • 464
  • 465
  • 466
  • …
  • 1484
Next
First Prev 464 of 1484 Next Last

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 7, 2018
  • #16,206
Grendel said:
No the point is if it’s proved the Eu are unreasonable and issues demands that would potentially ruin its member states you’d be the first to demand to leave having such humanitarian principals.
Click to expand...

From what I've seen the only one making unrealistic and unreasonable demands has been the UK with its attempts at cherry picking.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,207
Sick Boy said:
From what I've seen the only one making unrealistic and unreasonable demands has been the UK with its attempts at cherry picking.
Click to expand...

Really? Any examples?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,208
Sick Boy said:
From what I've seen the only one making unrealistic and unreasonable demands has been the UK with its attempts at cherry picking.
Click to expand...
Is that right?

So what are the demands we have put forward?

Have you got all day for me to list where Barnier and Juncker have been unreasonable?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,209
Grendel said:
Why does Mr Euro think the same Tony? Are you more knowledgeable than Mr Euro?

As ever you try to sound intelligent and fail.

You’ve claimed to want a debate but everyone who challenges you gets the same tired juvenile insults. At least the racist slurs aren’t so frequent these days.

The sad thing is tiny you think you sound clever and witty but are just a bar room bore whose only audience is mad Mart in the corner.
Click to expand...

As always no answer to the question. How does Norway who are intrinsically more entwined with the EU than we will be when we leave have the right to self determine it’s own fishing practices then? It’s a very basic question, why won’t you answer it?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,210
skybluetony176 said:
As always no answer to the question. How does Norway who are intrinsically more entwined with the EU than we will be when we leave have the right to self determine it’s own fishing practices then? It’s a very basic question, why won’t you answer it?
Click to expand...

Because they never have actually been in the Eu and are not a massive financial contributor propping up basket case member states Tony

Furthermore the proposals such as those on migration and trade will appeal to other members who are expressing distaste with the Brussels machine
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,211
Grendel said:
Well we do. We either agree a deal or we save £40 billion and leave.

You state the Eu values it’s citizens first so will agree. If it doesn’t a man of your principals will be first in the queue to leave.
Click to expand...

We are paying st least 40 bn. That is what we have signed up for. Get over it.
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,212
Astute said:
Is that right?

So what are the demands we have put forward?

Have you got all day for me to list where Barnier and Juncker have been unreasonable?
Click to expand...

In what way have they been unreasonable? I have got all day.
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,213
Grendel said:
Why does Mr Euro think the same Tony? Are you more knowledgeable than Mr Euro?

As ever you try to sound intelligent and fail.

You’ve claimed to want a debate but everyone who challenges you gets the same tired juvenile insults. At least the racist slurs aren’t so frequent these days.

The sad thing is tiny you think you sound clever and witty but are just a bar room bore whose only audience is mad Mart in the corner.
Click to expand...

Obviously the audience is bigger as you and Astute have to keep repeating Faragisms to defend your points of view.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,214
martcov said:
We are paying st least 40 bn. That is what we have signed up for. Get over it.
Click to expand...

No that’s not true. We have signed up on the basis we agree terms.

The failure to agree terms of departure would mean payment has not been agreed and would have to be renogotiated
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,215
Grendel said:
are not a massive financial contributor
Click to expand...
Norway's EU payments
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,216
Grendel said:
No that’s not true. We have signed up on the basis we agree terms.

The failure to agree terms of departure would mean payment has not been agreed and would have to be renogotiated
Click to expand...

Yes. Like SISU and CCC did with the bank. Remind me how that went.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,217
chiefdave said:
Norway's EU payments
Click to expand...

Thanks for confirming they are not a massive contributor
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,218
Grendel said:
No that’s not true. We have signed up on the basis we agree terms.

The failure to agree terms of departure would mean payment has not been agreed and would have to be renogotiated
Click to expand...

The winners in that case will probably be the hedge funds, who like last time ( the referendum), took a position on the pound collapsing. Who do you know that owns 20% of a 9,7 billion portfolio hedge fund? We would have a no deal situation and.... we would have to pay things we signed up to anyway or do an Argentina.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,219
martcov said:
The winners in that case will probably be the hedge funds, who like last time ( the referendum), took a position on the pound collapsing. Who do you know that owns 20% of a 9,7 billion portfolio hedge fund? We would have a no deal situation and.... we would have to pay things we signed up to anyway or do an Argentina.
Click to expand...

No we’d have to have a formulae calculated and ratified under international law.

I’m not sure that even exists under Eu statute at all. One of the parties in power in Italy has claimed the same in regard to the EUro and that half a trillion debt can vanish overnight if they return to their own currency
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,220
Grendel said:
Because they never have actually been in the Eu and are not a massive financial contributor propping up basket case member states Tony

Furthermore the proposals such as those on migration and trade will appeal to other members who are expressing distaste with the Brussels machine
Click to expand...

They are in the EEA and single market, we won’t be in either when we leave. They will be more entwined with the EU when we will be once we leave. How will the EU have the authority to force more stringent fishing policies on someone who is neither in the EU, EEA or single market than someone who is? It’s a very simple question.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,221
Grendel said:
Thanks for confirming they are not a massive contributor
Click to expand...
You must have misread.
Norway’s payments linked to its relationship with the EU are around two thirds of what the UK pays per head of population, before money comes back. Comparing payments after money comes back is difficult, but seems to narrow the gap still further.
Click to expand...
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,222
skybluetony176 said:
They are in the EEA and single market, we won’t be in either when we leave. They will be more entwined with the EU when we will be once we leave. How will the EU have the authority to force more stringent fishing policies on someone who is neither in the EU, EEA or single market than someone who is? It’s a very simple question.
Click to expand...

You’d better have a chat to Mr Euro Tony you clearly have more gravitas and knowledge than Mr Euro and the poor old boy seems very concerned.

You seem to have suddenly become in favour of a hard brexit Tony - back to voting UKIP again?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,223
chiefdave said:
You must have misread.
Click to expand...
No Dave the heat must be getting to you.

We pay £14 billion and they pay £740 million. We contribute more in 6 weeks than they do in a year
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,224
Grendel said:
No Dave the heat must be getting to you.

We pay £14 billion and they pay £740 million. We contribute more in 6 weeks than they do in a year
Click to expand...

We pay netto 9bn and have a population of 65 million.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,225
Grendel said:
You’d better have a chat to Mr Euro Tony you clearly have more gravitas and knowledge than Mr Euro and the poor old boy seems very concerned.

You seem to have suddenly become in favour of a hard brexit Tony - back to voting UKIP again?
Click to expand...

Nothing intelligent to say just confirms you know I’m right but the narcissist in you is unwilling to admit that you’re wrong.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,226
martcov said:
We pay netto 9bn and have a population of 65 million.
Click to expand...

So what?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,227
skybluetony176 said:
Nothing intelligent to say.
Click to expand...

Correct Tony you haven’t.

You are actually making zero sense whatsoever. You seem to saying we should adopt a hard brexit with zero negotiation.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,228
Grendel said:
Correct Tony you haven’t.

You are actually making zero sense whatsoever. You seem to saying we should adopt a hard brexit with zero negotiation.
Click to expand...

You’re demonstrating perfectly your complete misunderstanding of the situation. You seem to think that the EU has more jurisdiction over a country that is going to be at least two steps further away from a country who has EEA and single market membership. You’re simply not dealing in reality and then you’re using your misunderstanding of the real world to misrepresent what I’m saying. I doubt you’ll convince anyone with your childish tricks.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,229
skybluetony176 said:
You’re demonstrating perfectly your complete misunderstanding of the situation. You seem to think that the EU has more jurisdiction over a country that is going to be at least two steps further away from a country who has EEA and single market membership. You’re simply not dealing in reality and then you’re using your misunderstanding of the real world to misrepresent what I’m saying. I doubt you’ll convince anyone with your childish tricks.
Click to expand...

Why do you claim to know more than Mr Euro Tony?

Who are you convincing? Not Mr Euro?

We will be forced to remain in the CFP
 
Last edited: Jul 8, 2018

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,230
Grendel said:
Why do you claim to know more than Mr Euro Tony?

Who are you convincing? Not Mr Euro?

We will be forced to remain in the CFP
Click to expand...

You don’t have to keep confirming I’m right and the narcissist in you won’t allow you to admit it. You’ve already made it abundantly clear.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,231
skybluetony176 said:
You don’t have to keep confirming I’m right and the narcissist in you won’t allow you to admit it. You’ve already made it abundantly clear.
Click to expand...

Why won’t you answer why Mr Euro says this will not happen Tony abd we will remain in the common fisheries policy and quotas will not change?

Do you think this might be that Mr Euro has read the report from Brussels that highlights several conditions of a leave arrangement - one of which is that we will remain in the common fisheries policy and the terms regarding quotas and access will remain unchanged?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,232
Grendel said:
Why won’t you answer why Mr Euro says this will not happen Tony abd we will remain in the common fisheries policy and quotas will not change?

Do you think this might be that Mr Euro has read the report from Brussels that highlights several conditions of a leave arrangement - one of which is that we will remain in the common fisheries policy and the terms regarding quotas and access will remain unchanged?
Click to expand...

Thanks again. It’s really not needed though.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,233
skybluetony176 said:
Thanks again. It’s really not needed though.
Click to expand...

Do you seem to be unable to answer the question Tony.

Constantly playing King Canute is absurd.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,234
Grendel said:
Do you seem to be unable to answer the question Tony.

Constantly playing King Canute is absurd.
Click to expand...

Hahahahahahaha! Stop it, you’re killing me.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,235
skybluetony176 said:
Hahahahahahaha! Stop it, you’re killing me.
Click to expand...

Is this another Geoffrey Howe moment? Even mad Mart has left you as you on this one.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,236
Grendel said:
Is this another Geoffrey Howe moment? Even mad Mart has left you as you on this one.
Click to expand...

Further confirmation of you being wrong is you bringing your obsession with Mart into the fray. If nothing else you’ predictable.
 
Reactions: martcov

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,237
skybluetony176 said:
Further confirmation of you being wrong is you bringing your obsession with Mart into the fray. If nothing else you’ predictable.
Click to expand...

So are you Tony. When shown proof you are talking tripe you just stick your fingers in your ears and carry on regardless

As for obsessions - well....,
 
Last edited: Jul 8, 2018

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,238
martcov said:
In what way have they been unreasonable? I have got all day.
Click to expand...
Waste of time spending a day to list everything for you as you would never consider anything they do as unreasonable. But everything the UK idea is unreasonable to you.
 
Reactions: Westendlad

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,239
chiefdave said:
You must have misread.
Click to expand...
We pay money directly to the EU. Norway pays directly in grants to the poorer countries. They then get money back off the EU.
 
Reactions: Westendlad
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #16,240
Astute said:
Waste of time spending a day to list everything for you as you would never consider anything they do as unreasonable. But everything the UK idea is unreasonable to you.
Click to expand...

In other words you cannot find anything. It just says so in the Express and Mail and Farage says it. Up until now the UK is having trouble putting anything together. That is blindingly obvious and the government may even fall because of it. Nothing to do with me being reasonable or not.

The latest fudge is another example. Who is happy with it? Industry... no, doesn't go far enough. Mogg and co. .... no it goes too far. The EU? No, sounds like having a cake and eating it. The people who will have to collect EU tariffs as part of the deal? No, it will be a boon for smugglers..

And all you can say is that I think the UK keeps coming up with unreasonable solutions. One day you will have to admit that the whole thing is a farce - whether you are a leaver or a remainer, this cock up was not what you wished for. And has certainly got absolutely nothing to do with me.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 462
  • 463
  • 464
  • 465
  • 466
  • …
  • 1484
Next
First Prev 464 of 1484 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?