The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

SkyblueBazza · Apr 16, 2018

martcov said:
Over 12% of the population here in Germany don’t have a German passport, but I just walked into the dentist and got an appointment. Doctors aren’t great problem in the cities either and are now offering Tele services inside areas.

Wondering if such professionals' salaries are so relatively massive in Germany (& other EU states) compared to say a retail assistant like here in the UK? I suspect a certain greed here rather than a moral type approach. For example they (dentists) all start off doing NHS work largely. Then build up a patient list...switch to private & charge us. Thus making some relatively fabulous earnings along the way - & most treatment is beyond question without paying again to check their treatment advice is good. Ethically they wouldn't - but I was advised to replace a filling 4yrs ago & decided to leave it. It hasn't been mentioned as needing replacement since!

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Astute · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
Open door? Not speculation? Either Eastern Europeans are working for the minimum wage and putting people out of work, or the are inflating house prices by 30%.... but, we have full employment and the country is awash with black money and speculative investments. Something in your argument doesn’t add up.

Let me see.

Not enough homes for people to live in. A 7 figure amount of people don't have somewhere to call home. True

The NHS is struggling to cope. True.

Schools are overcrowded. True.

Our roads are getting gridlocked. True.

How many more points would you like that are true? None I suppose.

Germany is a massive country. Yet our population is quickly catching up. France is a massive country. Yet our population has about caught up.

You say that the lack of homes isn't a problem as we have some grass somewhere to build on. Don't worry about the lack of infrastructure. Because we can blame it on Brexit. You say we should build more hospitals. Each one costs billions. Would just a few more sort out the whole of the UK? And then we would need the staff for them. And because we can't choose what skills can come here the situation continues to get worse.

But none of this matters to Mart. All he is worried about is being allowed to live in Germany. And he doesn't trust the EU to make his long term residency permanent.

If the UK is so fantastic as you make out why don't you just come back here to live instead of being worried you might have to come back?

martcov · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
Let me see.

Not enough homes for people to live in. A 7 figure amount of people don't have somewhere to call home. True

The NHS is struggling to cope. True.

Schools are overcrowded. True.

Our roads are getting gridlocked. True.

How many more points would you like that are true? None I suppose.

Germany is a massive country. Yet our population is quickly catching up. France is a massive country. Yet our population has about caught up.

You say that the lack of homes isn't a problem as we have some grass somewhere to build on. Don't worry about the lack of infrastructure. Because we can blame it on Brexit. You say we should build more hospitals. Each one costs billions. Would just a few more sort out the whole of the UK? And then we would need the staff for them. And because we can't choose what skills can come here the situation continues to get worse.

But none of this matters to Mart. All he is worried about is being allowed to live in Germany. And he doesn't trust the EU to make his long term residency permanent.

If the UK is so fantastic as you make out why don't you just come back here to live instead of being worried you might have to come back?

The reasons for these things are not as simple as you like to make out.

Yes, if we build hospitals we will need staff. We will need hospitals whether we are in or out of the EU. That has to do with demographics. We are living longer.

I haven’t said the lack of homes is not a problem. I have not blamed lack of homes or investment in infrastructure on Brexit. You just like a bit of dramatics and if there aren’t any, you just throw some of your own inventions in.

One reason our roads are gridlocked is that we have more cars. Everyone wants one and they are comparatively cheap because of the methods of production.

One thing that matters to Mart is freedom and the right for everyone to live and earn a living throughout the continent of Europe. We are a medium sized country and don’t seem to get it. Being on an island seems to create this fortress like approach towards the rest of Europe.

I am not worried that I may have to come back as long as my German citizenship comes through in the next couple of months. They actually do make thorough checks as to who is applying for a passport and that takes a couple of months extra to what I have already had to do.

It is not a case of not wanting to come home, but that my daughter, missus, businesses and friends are here. If I were loaded, I would buy a second home in or near Cov for my retirement and have the best of both worlds.

I do trust the EU, but I don’t trust „no deal“ Brexiteers who could create a situation of tit for tat negative regulations for foreigners. Do you seriously think I would put my future peace of mind in the hands of „mince“ Davis doing the negotiations backed up by Fox, BoJo and the sinister figure of the pompous Victorian, Mogg? Have fun with that lot.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
The reasons for these things are not as simple as you like to make out.

They are not as complex as you make out

martcov said:
Yes, if we build hospitals we will need staff. We will need hospitals whether we are in or out of the EU. That has to do with demographics. We are living longer.

Our population has gone up by millions. Most are of an age where they will have children in the future. This puts a strain on maternity wards. People get ill. People need operations. And after all that as you say people live longer. So will thise who come to live here. And we don't have enough hospitals or staff for even the present number living here. Yet you try to deny it being a problem.

martcov said:
I haven’t said the lack of homes is not a problem. I have not blamed lack of homes or investment in infrastructure on Brexit. You just like a bit of dramatics and if there aren’t any, you just throw some of your own inventions in.

So you finally admit that we have a severe shortage of homes. But you still say that we should have an open border for anyone with an EU passport

martcov said:
One reason our roads are gridlocked is that we have more cars. Everyone wants one and they are comparatively cheap because of the methods of production.

And the more people that come here to live the more people there will be who will want a car. Or hasn't that registered with you?

martcov said:
One thing that matters to Mart is freedom and the right for everyone to live and earn a living throughout the continent of Europe. We are a medium sized country and don’t seem to get it. Being on an island seems to create this fortress like approach towards the rest of Europe.

Living on an island means you have limited space. We are not massive like France or Germany.

martcov said:
I am not worried that I may have to come back as long as my German citizenship comes through in the next couple of months. They actually do make thorough checks as to who is applying for a passport and that takes a couple of months extra to what I have already had to do.

I hope you get sorted. You chose Germany as a home decades ago. But with this you don't seem ti have a clue about the reality of what has happened here.

martcov said:
It is not a case of not wanting to come home, but that my daughter, missus, businesses and friends are here. If I were loaded, I would buy a second home in or near Cov for my retirement and have the best of both worlds.

Don't worry. We need all the homes here for people already here.

martcov said:
I do trust the EU, but I don’t trust „no deal“ Brexiteers who could create a situation of tit for tat negative regulations for foreigners. Do you seriously think I would put my future peace of mind in the hands of „mince“ Davis doing the negotiations backed up by Fox, BoJo and the sinister figure of the pompous Victorian, Mogg? Have fun with that lot.

The EU make the rules. We have to try our best to survive within these rules. Just like we have for many years now.

martcov · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
They are not as complex as you make

Our population has gone up by millions. Most are of an age where they will have children in the future. This puts a strain on maternity wards. People get ill. People need operations. And after all that as you say people live longer. So will thise who come to live here. And we don't have enough hospitals or staff for even the present number living here. Yet you try to deny it being a problem.

So you finally admit that we have a severe shortage of homes. But you still say that we should have an open border for anyone with an EU passport

And the more people that come here to live the more people there will be who will want a car. Or hasn't that registered with you?

Living on an island means you have limited space. We are not massive like France or Germany.

I hope you get sorted. You chose Germany as a home decades ago. But with this you don't seem ti have a clue about the reality of what has happened here.

Don't worry. We need all the homes here for people already here.

The EU make the rules. We have to try our best to survive within these rules. Just like we have for many years now.

Astute said:
They are not as complex as you make out

Our population has gone up by millions. Most are of an age where they will have children in the future. This puts a strain on maternity wards. People get ill. People need operations. And after all that as you say people live longer. So will thise who come to live here. And we don't have enough hospitals or staff for even the present number living here. Yet you try to deny it being a problem.

So you finally admit that we have a severe shortage of homes. But you still say that we should have an open border for anyone with an EU passport

And the more people that come here to live the more people there will be who will want a car. Or hasn't that registered with you?

Living on an island means you have limited space. We are not massive like France or Germany.

I hope you get sorted. You chose Germany as a home decades ago. But with this you don't seem ti have a clue about the reality of what has happened here.

Don't worry. We need all the homes here for people already here.

The EU make the rules. We have to try our best to survive within these rules. Just like we have for many years now.

Housing issues are complex... as others in here keep telling you.

We need children being born as the next generation of pensioners will have to be cared for as well as my generation who will still be alive ( I hope ).

The younger fit EU immigrants at the moment are a bonus for the economy, which despite your negativity is still doing well. Wait til we leave ;-). They take up less health care than many of our ageing population.

The people who want or can afford cars are not necessarily those doing low paid jobs e.g. in catering. Still no reason for infrastructure not being a priority.

Germany is pretty built up except for mountains etc., and areas where there is no industry/ jobs.

I do have a clue as to what is happening in Cov, but not in the beautiful low populated area of Cumbria. Maybe I should buy a house there instead, and put a flagpole with an EU flag in the garden. Then I would feel at home... ;-).

The rules of the EU are the ones we helped make. The extension eastwards was what we wanted. Letting Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians in to live and work years earlier than needed or as e.g. in Germany, was The UK‘s idea. Having pushed for eastwards expansion and therefore, more immigrants, we are leaving because of er... too many immigrants, and people like you blame the EU.... you cannot make this up...

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
Housing issues are complex... as others in here keep telling you.

We need children being born as the next generation of pensioners will have to be cared for as well as my generation who will still be alive ( I hope ).

The younger fit EU immigrants at the moment are a bonus for the economy, which despite your negativity is still doing well. Wait til we leave ;-). They take up less health care than many of our ageing population.

The people who want or can afford cars are not necessarily those doing low paid jobs e.g. in catering. Still no reason for infrastructure not being a priority.

Germany is pretty built up except for mountains etc., and areas where there is no industry/ jobs.

I do have a clue as to what is happening in Cov, but not in the beautiful low populated area of Cumbria. Maybe I should buy a house there instead, and put a flagpole with an EU flag in the garden. Then I would feel at home... ;-).

The rules of the EU are the ones we helped make. The extension eastwards was what we wanted. Letting Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians in to live and work years earlier than needed or as e.g. in Germany, was The UK‘s idea. Having pushed for eastwards expansion and therefore, more immigrants, we are leaving because of er... too many immigrants, and people like you blame the EU.... you cannot make this up...

Are you trying to pretend that I don't know about our problems, how they have come about or what we should do about them?

I have said several times. But all that registers with you is anyone saying we should sort out the problems before we let millions more people live here.

We helped make the rules? If you want a debate can you keep to the truth? We joined the common market. It became the EU where we don't get much of a say. And we certainly didn't ask for open borders for anyone with an EU passport.

Yes Cumbria is a great place to live. But it doesn't mean that I don't know what goes in elsewhere. Our nearest family are about 200 miles away. So we travel around a lot. Visitors can't believe it when they can get to see a doctor straight away when they are nit even registered here. Or when they walk into a hospital and get seen straight away. It is also cheap and easy to find somewhere to live. And it is a great place to live. We don't have homeless on the streets. I have to explain it to my kids when we go elsewhere. They just don't get it.

But you are so pro EU that you don't care how much people are suffering as long as you keep what you want.

martcov · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
Are you trying to pretend that I don't know about our problems, how they have come about or what we should do about them?

I have said several times. But all that registers with you is anyone saying we should sort out the problems before we let millions more people live here.

We helped make the rules? If you want a debate can you keep to the truth? We joined the common market. It became the EU where we don't get much of a say. And we certainly didn't ask for open borders for anyone with an EU passport.

Yes Cumbria is a great place to live. But it doesn't mean that I don't know what goes in elsewhere. Our nearest family are about 200 miles away. So we travel around a lot. Visitors can't believe it when they can get to see a doctor straight away when they are nit even registered here. Or when they walk into a hospital and get seen straight away. It is also cheap and easy to find somewhere to live. And it is a great place to live. We don't have homeless on the streets. I have to explain it to my kids when we go elsewhere. They just don't get it.

But you are so pro EU that you don't care how much people are suffering as long as you keep what you want.

We have been in the EU since 1973. we had a vote in 1975 to stay in the common market with a convincing 2:1 majority to stay in. Our successive governments have ratified every step of the way with a couple of „get out“ options where we couldn’t agree. Some things were our ideas and we had as much say based on population size as anyone else. If the others don’t agree with all our requests it doesn’t make it undemocratic. It would be undemocratic if we did always get our way. We did ask for the SM and CU under Thatcher. Which means we did ask for FOM. That was before the Tories fell under the influence of the Farage UKIP vote and the DUP.

Being pro EU means I do care about citizens rights and don’t think the people suffering now will be the slightest bit better off under a Tory Brexit Britain.

Grendel · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
We have been in the EU since 1973. we had a vote in 1975 to stay in the common market with a convincing 2:1 majority to stay in. Our successive governments have ratified every step of the way with a couple of „get out“ options where we couldn’t agree. Some things were our ideas and we had as much say based on population size as anyone else. If the others don’t agree with all our requests it doesn’t make it undemocratic. It would be undemocratic if we did always get our way. We did ask for the SM and CU under Thatcher. Which means we did ask for FOM. That was before the Tories fell under the influence of the Farage UKIP vote and the DUP.

Being pro EU means I do care about citizens rights and don’t think the people suffering now will be the slightest bit better off under a Tory Brexit Britain.

Did we have a public vote to agree the Maastricht treaty which hugely changed the Eu in terms of what it offered?

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
We have been in the EU since 1973. we had a vote in 1975 to stay in the common market with a convincing 2:1 majority to stay in. Our successive governments have ratified every step of the way with a couple of „get out“ options where we couldn’t agree. Some things were our ideas and we had as much say based on population size as anyone else. If the others don’t agree with all our requests it doesn’t make it undemocratic. It would be undemocratic if we did always get our way. We did ask for the SM and CU under Thatcher. Which means we did ask for FOM. That was before the Tories fell under the influence of the Farage UKIP vote and the DUP.

Being pro EU means I do care about citizens rights and don’t think the people suffering now will be the slightest bit better off under a Tory Brexit Britain.

Wrong.

We joined the common market. We voted to stay in the common market. We have not been in the EU since 1973. That came much later.

A lot has changed in over 40 years since there was a vote.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

And here is more good news. Something else that wouldn't happen if you listened to the aame experts that said house prices would crash and the unemployment rate would soar.

Pound remains close to post-Brexit high

Sick Boy · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
And here is more good news. Something else that wouldn't happen if you listened to the aame experts that said house prices would crash and the unemployment rate would soar.

Pound remains close to post-Brexit high

The pound fell sharply against the euro following the referendum and has not been back above €1.20 since.

The euro strengthened in 2017 on the back of an improving eurozone economy and predictions that the ECB could start to scale back its bond-buying programme.

That's all very weird when the EU and € were both on the verge of collapsing following on from the vote to leave.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

Sick Boy said:
The pound fell sharply against the euro following the referendum and has not been back above €1.20 since.

The euro strengthened in 2017 on the back of an improving eurozone economy and predictions that the ECB could start to scale back its bond-buying programme.

That's all very weird when the EU and € were both on the verge of collapsing following on from the vote to leave.

You don't half know how to twist things around.

The £ is nearly back to where it was before the Brexit vote. This wasn't supposed to happen. But like I said house prices were also supposed to crash and unemployment was supposed to soar. And many on here were commentung on the € being worth 1 for 1 with the £.

And isn't it strange how you paste the small bit that looks good for the € in an article from a pro EU that is supposed to be impartial news outlet.

Look at the comments at end of the article. People have had enough of the pro EU crap.

Sick Boy · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
You don't half know how to twist things around.

The £ is nearly back to where it was before the Brexit vote. This wasn't supposed to happen. But like I said house prices were also supposed to crash and unemployment was supposed to soar. And many on here were commentung on the € being worth 1 for 1 with the £.

And isn't it strange how you paste the small bit that looks good for the € in an article from a pro EU that is supposed to be impartial news outlet.

Look at the comments at end of the article. People have had enough of the pro EU crap.

Can you point out where it has made significant gains against the €?

From my quick glance at the article it was focusing on the £ vs $?

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Did we have a public vote to agree the Maastricht treaty which hugely changed the Eu in terms of what it offered?

So were the basis of the three pillars in the Tory 1987 manifesto? Between the signing of the Maastricht and it come into effect we had a General Election that according to the opinion polls John Major was going to lose and he won convincingly. We may not have had a referendum but there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that the country was against it at the time.

Sick Boy · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
So were the basis of the three pillars in the Tory 1987 manifesto? Between the signing of the Maastricht and it come into effect we had a General Election that according to the opinion polls John Major was going to lose and he won convincingly. We may not have had a referendum but there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that the country was against it at the time.

Indeed, he tried to claim that the public overwhelming endorsed Brexit at the recent election, so presumably he'd agree with you

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Can you point out where it has made significant gains against the €?

From my quick glance at the article it was focusing on the £ vs $?

Pound-to-Euro Exchange Rate Forecast to hit 1.18 "Before too Long"

Pound to euro exchange rate: Sterling SOARS after UK wage growth OVERTAKES inflation

It is only going one way.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
So were the basis of the three pillars in the Tory 1987 manifesto? Between the signing of the Maastricht and it come into effect we had a General Election that according to the opinion polls John Major was going to lose and he won convincingly. We may not have had a referendum but there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that the country was against it at the time.

Hello racist Tony. Are you back to tell us about you voting UKIP and to defend them again?

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Indeed, he tried to claim that the public overwhelming endorsed Brexit at the recent election, so presumably he'd agree with you

Did he vote UKIP and defend them like Tony did?

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
You don't half know how to twist things around.

The £ is nearly back to where it was before the Brexit vote. This wasn't supposed to happen. But like I said house prices were also supposed to crash and unemployment was supposed to soar. And many on here were commentung on the € being worth 1 for 1 with the £.

And isn't it strange how you paste the small bit that looks good for the € in an article from a pro EU that is supposed to be impartial news outlet.

Look at the comments at end of the article. People have had enough of the pro EU crap.

Before the referendum you could get anywhere between €1.40 to €1.50 to the pound. Early in the evening when everyone thought that remain would win it peaked above €1.50 so I’m not sure how you work out that it’s where it was before the referendum. It crashed against everything not just the Euro either.

The ECB are supposed to be considering stopping quantitative easing on the Euro this year. Be interesting to see what happens to the value of the Euro then.

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
Hello racist Tony. Are you back to tell us about you voting UKIP and to defend them again?

Can’t argue the point so attacks the man. I’m glad that you know I voted UKIP in a European election even if you ignore my reasoning. If nothing else it confirms you’re talking shit and with very little questioning your opinion turns to dust and you attack the person like some school yard bully.

How old are you out of interest?

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Before the referendum you could get anywhere between €1.40 to €1.50 to the pound. Early in the evening when everyone thought that remain would win it peaked above €1.50 so I’m not sure how you work out that it’s where it was before the referendum. It crashed against everything not just the Euro either.

The ECB are supposed to be considering stopping quantitative easing on the Euro this year. Be interesting to see what happens to the value of the Euro then.

Racist Tony gets it wrong again. It was 1:3017

Brexit Exchange Rate Tracker (GBP/EUR/USD/CAD) | finder UK

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Can’t argue the point so attacks the man. I’m glad that you know I voted UKIP in a European election even if you ignore my reasoning. If nothing else it confirms you’re talking shit and with very little questioning your opinion turns to dust and you attack the person like some school yard bully.

How old are you out of interest?

So you wanted to stay in the EU but voted UKIP and defended them. Ask on here what that makes you. We have all been told UKIP voters are racist. And you didn't vote for them to get out of the EU.

Sick Boy · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
Pound-to-Euro Exchange Rate Forecast to hit 1.18 "Before too Long"

Pound to euro exchange rate: Sterling SOARS after UK wage growth OVERTAKES inflation

It is only going one way.

It's still quite a way off its previous highs, strange considering that it's a basket case currency, apparently.

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
Racist Tony gets it wrong again. It was 1:3017

Brexit Exchange Rate Tracker (GBP/EUR/USD/CAD) | finder UK

Did you actually read the first paragraph where it confirmed that the pound fell 19%? Thanks for link that confirms I’m right. You must be a racist sympathiser. I guess that makes you a racist too.

martcov · Apr 17, 2018

Grendel said:
Did we have a public vote to agree the Maastricht treaty which hugely changed the Eu in terms of what it offered?

No. Did we have a vote on the Falklands War, Iraq or Syria? We have a parliament which is sovereign. „sovereignty“ is what you want.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

Sick Boy said:
It's still quite a way off its previous highs, strange considering that it's a basket case currency, apparently.

So who called it that?

More like the £ was supposed to be and we were supposed to get to £ and € worth the same.

Just shows that the pro EU experts didn't get much right.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Did you actually read the first paragraph where it confirmed that the pound fell 19%? Thanks for link that confirms I’m right. You must be a racist sympathiser. I guess that makes you a racist too.

I don't sympathise with you. Have never voted UKIP and never will.

Yes it did fall 19%. But it isn't 19% lower now is it. And is still rising against the €.

Bit of a difference between the 1:50 you said and the 1:30 it was. Not like you to exaggerate is it racist Tony.......

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
No. Did we have a vote on the Falklands War, Iraq or Syria? We have a parliament which is sovereign. „sovereignty“ is what you want.

Are you saying that the EU was against it?

martcov · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
And here is more good news. Something else that wouldn't happen if you listened to the aame experts that said house prices would crash and the unemployment rate would soar.

Pound remains close to post-Brexit high

Speculation on 1. a rise in interest rates and 2. good negotiations with the EU 3. hoping for lax controls on black money in a no deal situation ( when repatriating profits)

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

martcov said:
Speculation on 1. a rise in interest rates and 2. good negotiations with the EU 3. hoping for lax controls on black money in a no deal situation ( when repatriating profits)

It dropped 19% because of speculation. But I suppose you will try and call it something else.

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
So you wanted to stay in the EU but voted UKIP and defended them. Ask on here what that makes you. We have all been told UKIP voters are racist. And you didn't vote for them to get out of the EU.

Didn’t you repeatedly claim to vote remain before becoming the EU’s biggest boo boy? I think you’re hardly anyone to judge on that score.

I voted UKIP ahead of David Cameron’s negotiations ahead of the referendum. I know what the EU is and I know what it isn’t. I knew it wouldn’t reform willingly unless they thought that there was a real chance of us voting leave. So I took my vote in the European election and voted UKIP as I saw it as the only voice I had to say to the EU you better take this seriously. I had grave doubts about the outcome of the referendum from the day it was announced it was happening. Being so close didn’t come as a surprise to me and I always thought that unless David Cameron came back with anything less than what he was asking for a leave win was inevitable. I actually thought it would be a bigger margin than it was.

So no I’m not a racist. No I didn’t vote UKIP as an endorsement of their policies (ironically something that you practically spout every time you post on the subject) and yes I used my vote as a protest vote. Not to protest to leave but to protest for reform.

So you carry on calling me a racist if you like, it really doesn’t bother me. All it confirms is that you are A) a childish, name calling school type bully and B) wrong and lack the intellect to argue the point so you resort to name calling instead. It says considerably more about the type of person you are than it ever will about me so carry on.

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
I don't sympathise with you. Have never voted UKIP and never will.

Yes it did fall 19%. But it isn't 19% lower now is it. And is still rising against the €.

Bit of a difference between the 1:50 you said and the 1:30 it was. Not like you to exaggerate is it racist Tony.......

You spout the same nonsense UKIP spout every time you post. You’re the very epitome of a UKIP sympathiser.

Like I said. Let’s see what the Euro does if the ECB relax or stop quantitative easing.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t you repeatedly claim to vote remain before becoming the EU’s biggest boo boy? I think you’re hardly anyone to judge on that score.

I voted UKIP ahead of David Cameron’s negotiations ahead of the referendum. I know what the EU is and I know what it isn’t. I knew it wouldn’t reform willingly unless they thought that there was a real chance of us voting leave. So I took my vote in the European election and voted UKIP as I saw it as the only voice I had to say to the EU you better take this seriously. I had grave doubts about the outcome of the referendum from the day it was announced it was happening. Being so close didn’t come as a surprise to me and I always thought that unless David Cameron came back with anything less than what he was asking for a leave win was inevitable. I actually thought it would be a bigger margin than it was.

So no I’m not a racist. No I didn’t vote UKIP as an endorsement of their policies (ironically something that you practically spout every time you post on the subject) and yes I used my vote as a protest vote. Not to protest to leave but to protest for reform.

So you carry on calling me a racist if you like, it really doesn’t bother me. All it confirms is that you are A) a childish, name calling school type bully and B) wrong and lack the intellect to argue the point so you resort to name calling instead. It says considerably more about the type of person you are than it ever will about me so carry on.

Knew your comment was going to be full of shite after the first line so didn't read the rest.

I started off playing devils advocate. Trying to put both sides over. But only one side ever comes out. A massive bias for the EU. Everything bad about us being overpopulated or bad against the EU gets ignored. So I have ended up pointing out the lies. Like the £ € was 1:50 before the Brexit vote.

Astute · Apr 17, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
You spout the same nonsense UKIP spout every time you post. You’re the very epitome of a UKIP sympathiser.

Like I said. Let’s see what the Euro does if the ECB relax or stop quantitative easing.

So you vote UKIP and defend them yet accuse me of the same.

Would you like to point out me defending UKIP like you have done racist Tony?

skybluetony176 · Apr 17, 2018

Astute said:
Knew your comment was going to be full of shite after the first line so didn't read the rest.

I started off playing devils advocate. Trying to put both sides over. But only one side ever comes out. A massive bias for the EU. Everything bad about us being overpopulated or bad against the EU gets ignored. So I have ended up pointing out the lies. Like the £ € was 1:50 before the Brexit vote.

That’s a yes then. Thanks for the confirmation.

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