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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,846
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Name one sovereign nation whose democratic opposition to the eu diktat that has been respected........

France? No. Holland? No. Ireland? No. Greece? No. UK? ....tbc.
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Every member state has the power of veto. Name one member state government who isn’t going to use that power to stop themselves apparently becoming little more than a local EU council. They’re not are they.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,847
martcov said:
I know for a fact that they have clamped down. I used to be a partner in a Jerey off shore company. Jersey is Bailiwick.
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martcov said:
I was in Romania before they were in the EU. They are a lot better off now.
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And what was it you said to Grendel? Something about one anecdote...

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,848
skybluetony176 said:
Because it’s not part of the EU. There is nothing that they can do. Same as the Isle of Man.
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Whilst the British Gov't can do something about...maybe they have? Don't know myself - maybe companies & individuals are more wary after recent 'outing' of this sort of thing in the national media?

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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,849
SkyblueBazza said:
Quite a sizeable chunk of the Commonwealth for a start

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I’m sure they love us.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,850
SkyblueBazza said:
And what was it you said to Grendel? Something about one anecdote...

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We had the discussion on Jersey before. Jersey did a deal in the Blair era which effected EU countries and involved passing information to EU countries of residence. That is not an anecdote. I posted the latest Romanian figures and explained that if you took out the world crash 2008 and 2009, you get a clearer picture of what is actually happening. That is not an anecdote.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,851
martcov said:
One view from Bulgaria:

„Despite the slow progress, we are happier than a decade ago or so it seems. Compared to ten years ago, a larger percentage of Bulgarians and Romanians are satisfied with the lives they lead, as the Eurobarometer public opinion reports from 2007 and 2016 show.“
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Who said that? Bulgaria's Minister for EU or similar? Or maybe your mate?

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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,852
SkyblueBazza said:
Oh dear...still in denial

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I am not in denial of anything. I said it could well go pear shaped and it looks like either it will go pear shaped or compromises will have to be made.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,853
SkyblueBazza said:
Oh...that makes it alright then

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No, it means one should stick to the facts.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,854
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Name one sovereign nation whose democratic opposition to the eu diktat that has been respected........

France? No. Holland? No. Ireland? No. Greece? No. UK? ....tbc.
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All have been respected including the UK.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,855
martcov said:
„The minimum salary in Romania rose ten times its nominal value in less than 20 years. This helps to explain the transformation that the Romanian economy is facing, attracting a number of companies, investors and immigrants to the country.“

Depends when you start counting. Wages growing now.
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To keep up with inflation perhaps

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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,856
SkyblueBazza said:
Go tell that to the average Greek man in the street

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Depends who you ask. Seeing as Grexit hasn’t happened yet, it would appear that the alternative to remaining is worse.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,857
SkyblueBazza said:
Who said that? Bulgaria's Minister for EU or similar? Or maybe your mate?

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The Eurobarometer of public opinion.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,858
SkyblueBazza said:
To keep up with inflation perhaps

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Yes. Try that in the UK.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,859
martcov said:
„I‘m alright Jack“ attitude.
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Is this the same mart thar is applying for dual citizenship?

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,860
skybluetony176 said:
Name one EU members government that is going to allow that to happen.
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Give it time...if there is money in it they will go along with it

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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,861
SkyblueBazza said:
To keep up with inflation perhaps

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Romania Core Inflation Rate
Core consumer prices in Romania increased 2.20 percent in February of 2018 over the same month in the previous year. Core Inflation Rate in Romania averaged 5.67 percent from 2001 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 29.70 percent in December of 2001 and a record low of -0.50 percent in December of 2016.

Would appear to beating inflation in recent years.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,862
SkyblueBazza said:
Give it time...if there is money in it they will go along with it

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Can you predict other things?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,863
skybluetony176 said:
Every member state has the power of veto. Name one member state government who isn’t going to use that power to stop themselves apparently becoming little more than a local EU council. They’re not are they.
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Just like every UK citizen has the right to free speech...as long as it is PC of course

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martcov

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,864
SkyblueBazza said:
Is this the same mart thar is applying for dual citizenship?

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No, as I agree with improving infrastructure in poorer countries to help them and us progress.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,865
martcov said:
We had the discussion on Jersey before. Jersey did a deal in the Blair era which effected EU countries and involved passing information to EU countries of residence. That is not an anecdote. I posted the latest Romanian figures and explained that if you took out the world crash 2008 and 2009, you get a clearer picture of what is actually happening. That is not an anecdote.
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You knowing for a fact is not fact. You are an incredibly biased individual.

And as for Romania big much better off since you visited...dont worry that's me being facetious

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,866
martcov said:
No, it means one should stick to the facts.
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Gasp

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,867
martcov said:
All have been respected including the UK.
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They were respected after significant string pulling behind the scenes until the desired result for the EU was achieved. ..not quite the same

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,868
martcov said:
The Eurobarometer of public opinion.
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Is that like the Public Opinion surveys that said the Tories would win an overall majority in the General Election or that the EU referendum would see a remain win?

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,869
martcov said:
Yes. Try that in the UK.
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But Romania has had a massive inflation rate...there is a lot of catching up ti do for wages

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,870
martcov said:
Can you predict other things?
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No better than you probably

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 25, 2018
  • #12,871
martcov said:
No, as I agree with improving infrastructure in poorer countries to help them and us progress.
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Ah sorry, a different mart obviously

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dutchman

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,872
martcov said:
Does Spain or the EUSSR do gulags? Or are you making things up?
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Yes:

Catalan politicians struggle with Spanish prison regime

"Eight men and women who once governed seven million Catalans are now having to ask their families to put money onto pre-paid cards in order to be able to buy a packet of biscuits from the prison store.

On Sundays, prisoners from all wings in Soto del Real are allowed to come together for a church service. This can prove to be the most dangerous time. During one recent Mass, attended by Jordi Sànchez, one prisoner stabbed another.

The families are allowed to give the inmates winter clothes - particularly useful given the fact that the prison's heating is switched off at night. Prison food is described by one of their lawyers as horrendous ("I don't ask them for precise details," he said drily.)

The potential penalties are severe. If convicted of rebellion, the former cabinet ministers face up to 35 years in prison. The two activists, who face the lesser charge of sedition, face a maximum sentence of 10 years."

Or am I making this up?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,873
SkyblueBazza said:
They were respected after significant string pulling behind the scenes until the desired result for the EU was achieved. ..not quite the same

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Do you know what politics is?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,874
dutchman said:
Yes:

Catalan politicians struggle with Spanish prison regime

"Eight men and women who once governed seven million Catalans are now having to ask their families to put money onto pre-paid cards in order to be able to buy a packet of biscuits from the prison store.

On Sundays, prisoners from all wings in Soto del Real are allowed to come together for a church service. This can prove to be the most dangerous time. During one recent Mass, attended by Jordi Sànchez, one prisoner stabbed another.

The families are allowed to give the inmates winter clothes - particularly useful given the fact that the prison's heating is switched off at night. Prison food is described by one of their lawyers as horrendous ("I don't ask them for precise details," he said drily.)

The potential penalties are severe. If convicted of rebellion, the former cabinet ministers face up to 35 years in prison. The two activists, who face the lesser charge of sedition, face a maximum sentence of 10 years."

Or am I making this up?
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I don’t know. What is your source? At the moment he is in Neumünster remand prison. Which may not be paradise, but not as bad as what you describe. If your information is true, then maybe he has an argument against extradition. I don’t know.

I cannot read the source on my phone.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,875
SkyblueBazza said:
Ah sorry, a different mart obviously

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No, a totally different question. Me saying I want to have a second passport because some people have changed my status without allowing me a vote is a reaction to something to my potential detriment. It wasn’t me that voted for a blue passport with less rights.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,876
SkyblueBazza said:
But Romania has had a massive inflation rate...there is a lot of catching up ti do for wages

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Wages are beating inflation. I posted a link.
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,877
SkyblueBazza said:
Is that like the Public Opinion surveys that said the Tories would win an overall majority in the General Election or that the EU referendum would see a remain win?

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I don’t think so.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,878
SkyblueBazza said:
Gasp

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Yes, that’s right.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,879
SkyblueBazza said:
You knowing for a fact is not fact. You are an incredibly biased individual.

And as for Romania big much better off since you visited...dont worry that's me being facetious

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I posted a link about wage increases. Romania is a massive country coming from a position of ruin after communism. It is poor, but not as poor as it was. There are great differences in wealth, mainly between some parts of big cities and the country.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 26, 2018
  • #12,880
martcov said:
Do you know what politics is?
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Yes

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