He has little influence in Britain.
What about lies from Tusk when he pillaged his own peoples’ pension funds? Or doesn’t that count?
No different to those who voted to remain as they thought we’d be banned from the Euro’s or not get the money the Eu give us is it?
He has little influence in Britain.
How many voted based on the Euros as compared to fishers?
I would say about the same. I’d say a lot more genuinely believed the EU handed out money for aid without realising we’d actually handed far more over in the first place.
Supposing you're right.I would say about the same. I’d say a lot more genuinely believed the EU handed out money for aid without realising we’d actually handed far more over in the first place.
Supposing you're right.
Doesn't it show the stupidity of a referendum as it was constituted? No bugger seems to know what they actually voted for, let alone there being a consensus for one form of Brexit... anymore than a remain win would have been a consensus for the status quo.
What other things? How does the economy slow?
The things most important to poor people become cheaper setting your own trade terms on WTO. That’s just a fact. Every one agreed earlier in the thread the customs union is a protectionist racquet so you can’t have it both ways. The EU protects itself thus making African Clothing let’s say more expensive which helps EU businesses sell more yes but doesn’t help the poorest in our land buy what they need most.
Most of our educated youth voted labour at the general election as they believed trendy Mr Corbyn was pro Eu
Should we raise the voting age? Mr Corbyn wants to lower it. I wonder why.
and how many voted May believing she was a brexiteer?
She ran the election on the fact she was leaving Europe. The dimwit social media undergraduates voted for the old chap believing he was an EU advocate.
Ah, but...maybe they voted for him because the Labour manifesto made clear pledges on how they would negotiate brexit. Something the tories are still arguing about among themselves even now.
maybe they voted for him because the Labour manifesto made clear pledges on how they would negotiate brexit. Something the tories are still arguing about among themselves even now.
No they thought he was pro Europe - not one of the most anti-EU politicians in parliament - at least admit it
I've no evidence it's true. To be honest it doesn't bother me anyway. It's irrelevant now.
Still typical that we're discussing corbyn on the day, (or is it the day after?), the brexit impact reports reveal that the economy is in for a panning and the latest crime figures show massive increases.
No they thought he was pro Europe - not one of the most anti-EU politicians in parliament - at least admit it
It will inevitably be his downfall, IMO.
What’s fascinating is you support Theresa May on her view on Europe but believe Jeremy Corbyns views would leave us in economic ruin
tbh if he was doing it properly, he'd be criticising the way Brexit is heading, as the noise sure as hell isn't about a left-leaning version of it!He has his left agenda which seems to be more important to him than criticising the way Brexit is heading.
I've no evidence it's true. To be honest it doesn't bother me anyway. It's irrelevant now.
Still typical that we're discussing corbyn on the day, (or is it the day after?), the brexit impact reports reveal that the economy is in for a panning and the latest crime figures show massive increases.
Any things that will have tariffs imposed on them by the EU. The economy is slowing in comparison to other leading countries.
The EU is also protecting our farmers and ensuring certain conditions are met e.g. on food imports. We are already importing cheap clothing from Bangla Desh and Vietnam for example whilst being in the EU. How much cheaper is Africa than Bangla Desh and Vietnam? Companies such as H & M and PriMark put their mark up on these products from poorer countries. Maybe speak to them rather than voting Brexit and screwing up our economy?
So all the things we've had, or could have had, while being a member of the European Union...I voted brexit because I believe in this country. I believe in free markets and I believe in the nation state. I believe in borders and our own currency. I believe in elected MPs and laws made in this country. ( I also really like blue passports not going to lie)
So all the things we've had, or could have had, while being a member of the European Union...
You make some good points but to say we are doing fine simply isn't true. Are wage contraction and growth are both appalling compared to other major economies in the case of wage contraction and compared to other G7 countries in the case of growth.Well BoE states today interest rates are going to rise quicker than expected due to the economy doing better than predicted (forecast wrong again)
Also we were catorgorically told and I know you will agree with me that a even just a vote to leave will result in an emergency budget and 500k job loses basically overnight with a housing market crash to boot.
We are doing just fine and as for the leaked forecasts with forecasts in 15 years time we might be down 8% or whatever it was is simply beyond the pale for me. We don’t know what the weather will be doing this time next week but some geeks think they can predict a countries growth in 15 years time. No wonder they are always wrong and no one believes them.
I voted brexit because I believe in this country. I believe in free markets and I believe in the nation state. I believe in borders and our own currency. I believe in elected MPs and laws made in this country. ( I also really like blue passports not going to lie)
As came out today the Bank of England are due to raise interest quicker than expected due to us doing better than predicted. How is that a sign of screwing up the economy out of interest?
Watching question time last night and the guy from the out means out group (or whatever they call themselves) was banging on about the creation of free ports post brexit and how this would create thousands of jobs. Obviously he’s never heard of something called IP Inward Processing - GOV.UK the company I work for have been using this for years.
Free ports can be good but also have their short falls. For instance Egypt’s exports 20% of its goods through free port arrangements. Using that as an example you could say it’s going to grow our export market but as always there’s a rub. 43% of our exports go into the EU largely because of the free movement of goods and services we enjoy as EU members.
So my point is it’s another smoke and mirrors gimmick. A) we already have a system that allows you to operate something like a free port without being set up in a designated free port area B) it’s going to be at cost to our largest export market C) is this something that the government are proposing to do post brexit anyway.
Interesting that you said there was one in Hamburg. 10 seconds on google and I pull this up https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/customs-On a side note.... there was a free Port in Hamburg... my Albanians ( customers ) told me that was how the Albanians in Hamburg became extremely rich ( in addition to their red light business). They worked with the customs officers and drove trucks with alcohol and cigarettes from the free port into Germany. There were plenty of other scams going on. It isn’t there anymore.
Interesting that you said there was one in Hamburg. 10 seconds on google and I pull this up https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/customs-
procedures/what-is-importation/free-zones_en
Sounding like another blue passport gimmick. Could do it anyway. If you look at the list the U.K. already has one designated free zone area.
There was a lot of scandal around the Hamburg one. One scam was buying TVs etc cheap somewhere, taking them apart, shipping to the Freeport, putting them back together again and saying assembled in the EU, thus dodging import taxes.
I voted brexit because I believe in this country. I believe in free markets and I believe in the nation state. I believe in borders and our own currency. I believe in elected MPs and laws made in this country. ( I also really like blue passports not going to lie)
As came out today the Bank of England are due to raise interest quicker than expected due to us doing better than predicted. How is that a sign of screwing up the economy out of interest?
Did you miss the bit from Carney about us not performing as well as the rest of the G7? 1% less growth because of Brexit rising to 2% by 2020? His forecast not as bad as some others. And holding back on rate rises?
it's been mentioned on here loads but some people just don't want to accept it.
I agree with KOK when he says forecast are often wrong so it may pan out better than expected. But all the forecasts are poor and what else can the average man in the street like us go on?
Interestingly, he was very keen to distance himself from the suggestion that he wanted a 'hard Brexit'.the guy from the out means out group
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