Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Apart from a couple of years ago, eh?
population of germany 2017 - Google Search
And
population of uk 2017 - Google Search
Germanys population has been steady for years. It goes up and down by a small amount each year. After ours shooting up it is now steady at going up by over half a milliin a year. So yes ours is catching up.
You didn’t answer my question. Why?
I shall answer yours and I repeat I agree with what you said in theory but it’s not the reality. Eastern Europeans who work in these many many car washes we see now aren’t paid £7.20 an hour. So you’re theory goes out the window straight away.
The government does decide or national wage yes but also the solution of £10 an hour and raising another £3 an hour makes Britain more attractive and therefore more people come again. Where do they live? We have a housing crisis. Where is the infrastructure? Railways and roads? Nhs can’t cope already?
It’s a balancing act and I stated before in Bulgaria or Romania the living wage is £1-2 an hour. So it’s not hard to understand why they all come here and then send their money home to their family to support them. I don’t blame any of them but I do blame the rules and coming out the EU (if we have a strong government) can stop it.
It might even raise wages in this country which are massively depressed since open doors in 2004 and living standard for many others.
No but open door immigration is and that’s my point. The unskilled labour market such as car cleaners and fruit pickers is massively over subscribed hence the stagnation on wages throughout the country. Someone is willing to do it cheaper basically. Not to mention housing and infrastructure and nhs.
No but open door immigration is and that’s my point. The unskilled labour market such as car cleaners and fruit pickers is massively over subscribed hence the stagnation on wages throughout the country. Someone is willing to do it cheaper basically. Not to mention housing and infrastructure and nhs.
You didn’t answer my question. Why?
I shall answer yours and I repeat I agree with what you said in theory but it’s not the reality. Eastern Europeans who work in these many many car washes we see now aren’t paid £7.20 an hour. So you’re theory goes out the window straight away.
The government does decide or national wage yes but also the solution of £10 an hour and raising another £3 an hour makes Britain more attractive and therefore more people come again. Where do they live? We have a housing crisis. Where is the infrastructure? Railways and roads? Nhs can’t cope already?
It’s a balancing act and I stated before in Bulgaria or Romania the living wage is £1-2 an hour. So it’s not hard to understand why they all come here and then send their money home to their family to support them. I don’t blame any of them but I do blame the rules and coming out the EU (if we have a strong government) can stop it.
It might even raise wages in this country which are massively depressed since open doors in 2004 and living standard for many others.
We benefited a lot more from our colonies than from Europe.It is a two way thing anyway. We are part of Europe. We share history and culture. And, we were in an economic union which benefited us.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.Good news, Hammond has found the magic money tree and there's £3bn to plan for a no deal exit from the EU.
The last 4 years has been about the same.Apart from a couple of years ago, eh?
The supermarkets would have to take a hit or we would pay slightly more. If it meant a living wage then where is the problem?Not sure that's true about fruit pickers.
This article may not refer specifically to fruit but it is the same story over in Norfolk with regards to crops in general.
I'd imagine the only way to recruit from the indigenous population will to be to up the money and the increase will be passed onto the consumer.
Worried Cornwall asks Government for help after voting Brexit
We benefited a lot more from our colonies than from Europe.
Reading the EU's position paper what they are asking doesn't seem unreasonable. The difficultly is we haven't published our own so its hard to compare and obviously its dealing with things that none of us are experts on.Barnier wants us to agree to what we will pay for. But he won't say how much it will cost. We would find that out at the end of all negotiations. Would you be happy if the amount was 100 billion? We are offering a lot of money. But it isn't getting accepted. What is that telling you?
They are plundering us. Now Barnier wants to fuck us over a barrel.Yes, we plundered them. Good idea. Try it in Europe.
So how is it being calculated?Reading the EU's position paper what they are asking doesn't seem unreasonable. The difficultly is we haven't published our own so its hard to compare and obviously its dealing with things that none of us are experts on.
Don't really have a problem with them not giving a fixed figure given the way it is being calculated. They would have to follow the agreed formula so they wouldn't be able to just randomly increase it.
What payments in the EU's position paper do you not agree we should be paying?
we should have funded refugee camps in the first safe country.
We benefited a lot more from our colonies than from Europe.
They are plundering us. Now Barnier wants to fuck us over a barrel.
Must be true as you don't have a reply.
So what is shocking?Shocking.
So what is shocking?
They went to war with us when we were up against Germany twice after they had gone through the rest of Europe.
As it goes yes it is shocking.
The EU's position is not for ongoing payments, they want a single payment to cover budget commitment, termination of membership of all institutions and already committed payments to specific funds.So how is it being calculated?
How many things do they want us to pay for after 2020 which is after what we have agreed to?
How many more years do they want us to keep paying into the gravy tainers pensions?
How many years are we supposed to give them money to loan out to other countries?
Again what specifically in the EU's published position do you believe we should not agree to?This single financial settlement should be based on the principle that the United Kingdom must honour its share of the financing of all the obligations undertaken while it was a member of the Union. The United Kingdom obligations should be fixed as a percentage of the EU obligations calculated at the date of withdrawal in accordance with a methodology to be agreed in the first phase of the negotiations.
How many years worth of payments do they want was the question. 2020 is not a cut off point to them.The EU's position is not for ongoing payments, they want a single payment to cover budget commitment, termination of membership of all institutions and already committed payments to specific funds.
The basis for the calculation is
Again what specifically in the EU's published position do you believe we should not agree to?
So you agree but try to word it as though you don't.They’re former colonies not our colonies. We did plunder them for anything from spices to minerals to slavery. The culture there also helped shape our culture today which some on here seem to resent happening again. The commonwealth meant bringing all the wealth back to England. People think we’re being invaded, try telling that to an aboriginal or Native American and see how long it takes them to stop laughing at you and you’re definition of invaded. And yes a lot of our former colonies fought with us against the Nazi’s and liberated the countries that the Nazis occupied but there is a certain sense of irony in that.
Just to add that a big part of the reason we succeeded in the Second World War was down to the great Winston Churchill. By the way the EU was his idea.
So what is shocking?
They went to war with us when we were up against Germany twice after they had gone through the rest of Europe.
As it goes yes it is shocking.
So you agree but try to word it as though you don't.
So Winston Churchill would be happy with the was a common market has spiralled out of control?
So how is it being calculated?
How many things do they want us to pay for after 2020 which is after what we have agreed to?
How many more years do they want us to keep paying into the gravy tainers pensions?
How many years are we supposed to give them money to loan out to other countries?
The common market was a free trade arrangement. We had no indication of the politicisation of Europe and no say in subsequent implantation of Maastricht and Lisbon.
We have loaned other countries money over many years - together with the EU. Our liability stays until the loans are repaid. Who is talking about making loans in the future?
Really? How stupid do you think our governments were?
So you agree but try to word it as though you don't.
So Winston Churchill would be happy with the was a common market has spiralled out of control?
Another senseless comment.
That sentence makes no sense. If we’ve loaned countries money how are we liable? Surely we are owed money?
We are liable if they don’t pay the money back. Then we share the loss.
Incredible. Well that’s surely a written down loss anyway and would be over a period of over 20 years. So in the interim we’d gain in interest and any payments made.
The supermarkets would have to take a hit or we would pay slightly more. If it meant a living wage then where is the problem?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?