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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 16, 2020
  • #48,581
No fucks given

 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 19, 2020
  • #48,582
Saturday morning fun

 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 19, 2020
  • #48,583
Ian1779 said:
Saturday morning fun

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Wasn’t impressed until the national anthem. That did me in.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #48,584
I see after pulling out of the EU’s Galileo sat nav system down to brexit, then spending £500M investing in the wrong satellites we’re now going back to the EU cap in hand asking to join again. Stupid idea leaving in the first place as we’d already invested over £1B in it.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,585

Brexit Ferry Firm Hired By Chris Grayling Despite Having No Ships Goes Bust, Owing £2m

Seaborne Freight was infamously given a £13.8m contract to run ferry services by the then-transport secretary.
m.huffingtonpost.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,586
So we’re having a border in Kent then.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,587
skybluetony176 said:
So we’re having a border in Kent then.
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This fills me with confidence
Under questioning, Mr Gove twice refused to reveal how many of his promised 50,000 ‘customs agents’ – to help businesses prepare for a mountain of new red tape – have been recruited.
And he declined to say whether a new IT system will be “operational in January”, with just 100 days until the end of the transition period.
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,588
chiefdave said:
This fills me with confidence
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He announced that it will be policed by the use of ANPR and the Kent police force. To which the Kent police force have responded “Are we? When was someone going to tell us?”
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,589
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No fucks given

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He’s an utter embarrassment.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,590
Sick Boy said:
He’s an utter embarrassment.
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He should be on trial for how bad a job he’s done
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,591
skybluetony176 said:
So we’re having a border in Kent then.
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Can’t wait for Sevenoaks to open its first ‘Le Greggs’
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,592
Kent has just launched its new flag
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,593
The Kentish Republican Army
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,594
skybluetony176 said:
So we’re having a border in Kent then.
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I've been asking for the benefits of brexit for ages and there it was all the time.
this border does cut that wankers nest off from the rest of the country doesn't it?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,595
In other project fear news JP Morgan is set to become one of the largest banks in Germany after as a direct result of Brexit its moving €230Bn in assets from London to Frankfurt.

Cummings when questioned about the possibility of this at a Treasury select committee in Jan 2019 said it was all balls. He’s talking in private to the people that run banks and they tell him that when they say Brexit will mean them leaving London they only say that under pressure from the EU to say it, they don’t actually mean it.
 
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Seamus1

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,596
Does anybody honestly still think Brexit is going well?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,597
Seamus1 said:
Does anybody honestly still think Brexit is going well?
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It’s always been more ideological rather than it actually having any benefit.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,598
Seamus1 said:
Does anybody honestly still think Brexit is going well?
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No, it's going worse than I could ever have imagined. I had my misgivings back in 2016 which are in this thread.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,599
Seamus1 said:
Does anybody honestly still think Brexit is going well?
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I’m seeing people who voted leave starting to agree that the people who promised that it would be plain sailing are not delivering that plain sailing Brexit promised in the referendum campaign, which is fair enough. The bit they don’t seem to be able to grasp though is that the reason that they’re not delivering the plain sailing Brexit promised is because it’s bollocks, they still believe in the unicorn.
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,600
skybluetony176 said:
Kent has just launched its new flag
View attachment 17054
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As a resident of Kent, will I need a passport to pop home to Cov....
what a fcuking shit-show. Brexit fuckwits down here geting what they deserve.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,601
Seamus1 said:
Does anybody honestly still think Brexit is going well?
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Flag sellers

People who don’t get credit for knowing all the words of Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory

Kier Starmer

Tim Martin
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,602
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
As a resident of Kent, will I need a passport to pop home to Cov....
what a fcuking shit-show. Brexit fuckwits down here geting what they deserve.
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Not to leave Kent but if you’re returning home in a lorry you will.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #48,603
This doesn't surprise me at all.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2020
  • #48,604
Funny
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2020
  • #48,605
This made me chuckle , said it myself on here a couple of days ago, we're reverting by a millennium to a system of personal fiefdoms.
Note he mentions Dominic Cummings campaign to deny the NE devolved power.
Federalist Britian.
Oh the irony.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,606
The continuing saga of wealthy brexiteers brexiting themselves and their business interests

First there was this

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And now this

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After saying this

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Another Dyson. Hypocrisy.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,607
skybluetony176 said:
The continuing saga of wealthy brexiteers brexiting themselves and their business interests

First there was this

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And now this

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After saying this

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Another Dyson. Hypocrisy.
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what an absolute wank. Hope he falls off his yacht and gets eaten by sardines.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,608
wingy said:
This made me chuckle , said it myself on here a couple of days ago, we're reverting by a millennium to a system of personal fiefdoms.
Note he mentions Dominic Cummings campaign to deny the NE devolved power.
Federalist Britian.
Oh the irony.
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Oops forgot to add the link.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,609
wingy said:
Oops forgot to add the link.
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Found it .
It's time for Britain to return to heptarchy.

The Heptarchy, according to Bartholomew’s A literary & historical atlas of Europe (1914)
Geography is destiny, and there are some good geographical reasons why England became the dominant world power and not France.

England is 50,000 square miles, roughly the size of New York state, while France is four times that, as big as Texas. When England was united by King Athelstan in 927, he created a state ideally suited towards governing by a medieval monarch.

Aside from the need to have powerful barons on the northern and western frontier, itself a source of conflict throughout the later middle ages, it was about the right size to create the infrastructure to collect tax and administer justice, and all the other necessities for governing a successful nation-state. It was also about the right size for a fairly coherent national culture; English regional differences are minute compared to, say, Italy.

France, as anyone who has driven across the place with kids will appreciate, is massive. It was way too big, and too culturally diverse, to create the necessary infrastructure, which is why even in the days of the crusades the King of England could easily raise more tax than his French counterpart. And so England has never needed political devolution, except for the brief Council of the North, even though it has distinctive regional identities.

And so, when in the late 20th century demands for Scottish and Welsh devolution became overwhelming, the Government proposed solving the West Lothian Question by offering regional self-government in England too. The people of the North East were offered the chance — and turned it down, the No campaign run by one Dominic Cummings.

But perhaps it might be time to revisit the idea. Covid-19 has shown serious fundamental weaknesses in the British system of government; this may be just the bubble I live in but many people are dismayed at how badly the country works. The cabinet may be lightweight, and contain people not up to the job, but the institutional rot seems to go deeper.

I don’t know why, but compare how Germany’s federal system has coped with the shock so much better, and you have to wonder if regional governments here would have done a more effective job, too. Transport in some regions is clearly badly served by London, and I imagine in other areas like healthcare or planning regional governments would do better than the capital, which seems to attract so many mediocre people.

There is also still the problem of asymmetric devolution, which as it stands will surely lead to Scottish independence, because the current system sets everything up as a conflict between Westminster and Edinburgh. Were the English regions to have their own government then that would no longer be so much the case, and the Scottish FM would occasionally have to work alongside her counterparts in opposition to London, such as the First Minister of Northumbria.

And yes, of course we should also lose the dull, joyless names we currently give our regions and put Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria back on the map again.

Hopefully we’ll get this done in time for the 1100th anniversary of the Kingdom of England, as commemorated by me and about four other cranks. It looks like we’re well on the way to the ancient kingdom of Kent being restored to greatness, with the new Kent Access Permit. Hengist and Horsa must be smiling
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,610
wingy said:
Found it .
It's time for Britain to return to heptarchy.

The Heptarchy, according to Bartholomew’s A literary & historical atlas of Europe (1914)
Geography is destiny, and there are some good geographical reasons why England became the dominant world power and not France.

England is 50,000 square miles, roughly the size of New York state, while France is four times that, as big as Texas. When England was united by King Athelstan in 927, he created a state ideally suited towards governing by a medieval monarch.

Aside from the need to have powerful barons on the northern and western frontier, itself a source of conflict throughout the later middle ages, it was about the right size to create the infrastructure to collect tax and administer justice, and all the other necessities for governing a successful nation-state. It was also about the right size for a fairly coherent national culture; English regional differences are minute compared to, say, Italy.

France, as anyone who has driven across the place with kids will appreciate, is massive. It was way too big, and too culturally diverse, to create the necessary infrastructure, which is why even in the days of the crusades the King of England could easily raise more tax than his French counterpart. And so England has never needed political devolution, except for the brief Council of the North, even though it has distinctive regional identities.

And so, when in the late 20th century demands for Scottish and Welsh devolution became overwhelming, the Government proposed solving the West Lothian Question by offering regional self-government in England too. The people of the North East were offered the chance — and turned it down, the No campaign run by one Dominic Cummings.

But perhaps it might be time to revisit the idea. Covid-19 has shown serious fundamental weaknesses in the British system of government; this may be just the bubble I live in but many people are dismayed at how badly the country works. The cabinet may be lightweight, and contain people not up to the job, but the institutional rot seems to go deeper.

I don’t know why, but compare how Germany’s federal system has coped with the shock so much better, and you have to wonder if regional governments here would have done a more effective job, too. Transport in some regions is clearly badly served by London, and I imagine in other areas like healthcare or planning regional governments would do better than the capital, which seems to attract so many mediocre people.

There is also still the problem of asymmetric devolution, which as it stands will surely lead to Scottish independence, because the current system sets everything up as a conflict between Westminster and Edinburgh. Were the English regions to have their own government then that would no longer be so much the case, and the Scottish FM would occasionally have to work alongside her counterparts in opposition to London, such as the First Minister of Northumbria.

And yes, of course we should also lose the dull, joyless names we currently give our regions and put Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria back on the map again.

Hopefully we’ll get this done in time for the 1100th anniversary of the Kingdom of England, as commemorated by me and about four other cranks. It looks like we’re well on the way to the ancient kingdom of Kent being restored to greatness, with the new Kent Access Permit. Hengist and Horsa must be smiling
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Interesting
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,611
Remember Mercia Sound ?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2020
  • #48,612
Make Mercia Great Again!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 30, 2020
  • #48,613
I see we’re backing down over access to fishing waters. Where the hell is BMW when you need them.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2020
  • #48,614
Cars chemicals and drugs in for a hit and prices to rise.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2020
  • #48,615
skybluetony176 said:
I see we’re backing down over access to fishing waters. Where the hell is BMW when you need them.
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Good job it only makes up a knats ball hair of our GDP.
Maybe the penny's dropping that it's not worth trashing manufacturing for. What the hell am I on about, penny dropping? Of course it's not!
 
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