Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
The task of a fireman facing a blaze in which he has seconds to make decisions is incomparable to a pharma sales rep deciding to offer sweeteners to doctors in order to accept their products.
Struth, how ridiculous. You appear to be advocating mutiny on the job in the fire service...expecting them to go against what they have been trained & ordered to do in an emergency situation.
I was comparing the principle...which surely you can see the parallel?
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Each to their ownI don't believe the tories for one minute when they say they don't want to privatise the NHS.
Every time I've heard Hunt and May or Johnson and Hancock say it isn't I believe them even less.
The fireman carries out the orders of their chiefs who have been trained thoroughly in the operational procedures deemed to be the best option.The task of a fireman facing a blaze in which he has seconds to make decisions is incomparable to a pharma sales rep deciding to offer sweeteners to doctors in order to accept their products.
The fireman carries out the orders of their chiefs who have been trained thoroughly in the operational procedures deemed to be the best option.
The parallels with any other industry for the guy at the coal-face & the powers that be deciding the best approach are oh-so relevant. Just the consequences of going against the grain differ.
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Genuinely keep hearing various expert departments adjusting their forecasts becuase they've got their sums wrong as things haven't panned out like they predicted. I'm not trying to be nobby, but if they can't get a 6/12 month prediction right, how they hell can they tell us what's going to happen 10 years down the line?
Well I think you are being naive. They are actually clever people & they know it is a political hot potato. Labour do to, & discretely follow the same course as the Tories overall. They are just reassured by the expectation the Tories will be a little bolderI don't believe the tories for one minute when they say they don't want to privatise the NHS.
Every time I've heard Hunt and May or Johnson and Hancock say it isn't I believe them even less.
Well I wouldn't worry too much as the Pharma industry in the UK is policed by a very thorough & rigid regime called the PMCPA which consists of various representation from lay members to industry insiders & to staunch anti-industry qualified medics. The industry produces a code of practice aligned to their find he on reported cases & subsequent findings. Find a drug rep & ask them about it. They find it extremely restrictive on the one hand but protective (against Pharma management on the one hand & potentially disreputable medics) on the other.Absolving the sales rep on of his moral culpability on the grounds that his/her boss told them to offer bribes? OK
Genuinely keep hearing various expert departments adjusting their forecasts becuase they've got their sums wrong as things haven't panned out like they predicted. I'm not trying to be nobby, but if they can't get a 6/12 month prediction right, how they hell can they tell us what's going to happen 10 years down the line?
Well I think you are being naive. They are actually clever people & they know it is a political hot potato. Labour do to, & discretely follow the same course as the Tories overall. They are just reassured by the expectation the Tories will be a little bolder
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Oh so what Trump wants he gets eh? There will be something involving NHS in a general sense...but there is no way it will be at the extreme end of what you are fearing imo
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
So it makes you wonder what the hell the EU have been doing for the last 45yrs really doesn't it?That’s why they do it by stealth and over time. Look at education, did any politician announce they were going to sell off schools to the highest bidder? No just one day the only choice you’ve got is academies. First it was just the bad schools cos they needed intervention, then the good so they could innovate, now pretty much every school is run by a private entity and many people don’t even realise it.
Or workers rights. It starts as “unions have too much power” in the 70s and 40 years later there’s no labour movement, wage growth has stagnated and people are atomised.
The general trend is not in the right direction.
Don’t worry. We’re abandoning the standards set by the EU so I’m sure things will only get better. No wait. The standards set by the EU are minimum standards not the standard so our sovereign government could always have done better should they choose. Still, with that safety net gone I’m sure it will be the trigger that makes the government do what they always could have done.So it makes you wonder what the hell the EU have been doing for the last 45yrs really doesn't it?
Encouraging falsehoods to have people think they are on to a good thing obviously.
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
So it makes you wonder what the hell the EU have been doing for the last 45yrs really doesn't it?
Encouraging falsehoods to have people think they are on to a good thing obviously.
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
They have got nearly everything wrong that is important for years. Yet we are supposed to believe everything they say.Genuinely keep hearing various expert departments adjusting their forecasts becuase they've got their sums wrong as things haven't panned out like they predicted. I'm not trying to be nobby, but if they can't get a 6/12 month prediction right, how they hell can they tell us what's going to happen 10 years down the line?
Neither do I.I don't believe the tories for one minute when they say they don't want to privatise the NHS.
Every time I've heard Hunt and May or Johnson and Hancock say it isn't I believe them even less.
Neither do I.
But look at Labour. Bliar escalated privatizing the NHS. Fern tried to make out Labour didn't although he says it is the part of the NHS he works in. Then when I posted the evidence he went quiet on the subject as usual.
You can't trust any of them with the NHS. It is where they see the most savings. But it normally ends up costing us more in the long run.
The main part on wage increases is supply and demand. There has been plenty of supply. That is why we have record employment. If companies can't get the right workers in they have to offer a higher wage.That’s why they do it by stealth and over time. Look at education, did any politician announce they were going to sell off schools to the highest bidder? No just one day the only choice you’ve got is academies. First it was just the bad schools cos they needed intervention, then the good so they could innovate, now pretty much every school is run by a private entity and many people don’t even realise it.
Or workers rights. It starts as “unions have too much power” in the 70s and 40 years later there’s no labour movement, wage growth has stagnated and people are atomised.
The general trend is not in the right direction.
And you think Corbyn is the person to lead our country?And what happened to Blair? His entire movement is a dirty word in Labour circles and now we have Corbyn who is a total backlash. Can’t see the Tories doing that.
Just because they aren’t all perfect doesn’t mean they’re all the same. That’s just lazy thinking.
Neither do I.
But look at Labour. Bliar escalated privatizing the NHS. Fern tried to make out Labour didn't although he says it is the part of the NHS he works in. Then when I posted the evidence he went quiet on the subject as usual.
You can't trust any of them with the NHS. It is where they see the most savings. But it normally ends up costing us more in the long run.
But saying that you trust someone more than the Tories isn't saying a lot.but as Liquid gold said yesterday, whether you like him or not, Corbyns Labour is a different animal to Blairs Labour.
I trust Corbyn far more on the NHS than the Tories. There is far too much evidence of senior Tories meeting and taking payments from lobbyists.
But saying that you trust someone more than the Tories isn't saying a lot.
He isn't what I call leader material.
And you think Corbyn is the person to lead our country?
And you think Corbyn is the person to lead our country?
And you think Corbyn is the person to lead our country?
But saying that you trust someone more than the Tories isn't saying a lot.
He isn't what I call leader material.
1 lol great comparison - these people are predicting what the state of play is a decade down the line, not quibbling over 3 months. If I get cancer I hope I talk to that doctor, I might live for another 10 years.1 This is a bit like saying “Doctors told me I’d have six months to live, but I died after 9, so how can they say smoking gives you lung cancer”.
General trends can be extrapolated. 2 Forecasts are updated as things become clear because all predictions contain uncertainty. Not because “they got their sums wrong”.
You don’t get to just invent your own shit because the best guesses we have aren’t perfect.
I don't necessarily like the analogies, but one of my friends' families was given four weeks to live, and lasted seven years...1 lol great comparison - these people are predicting what the state of play is a decade down the line, not quibbling over 3 months. If I get cancer I hope I talk to that doctor, I might live for another 10 years.
Pleased for your friend that the expert was so wrong and apologies if you thought I was being flippent. Wish they'd be as wrong about my in-laws.I don't necessarily like the analogies, but one of my friends' families was given four weeks to live, and lasted seven years...
But I'd still trust the doctor's diagnosis ahead of the bloke down the pub who plays a mean trick shot on the black, after he's downed eight pints.
Oh and funnily enough my friend and his mum were delighted the doctor was so badly wrong. This is where the bollocks of Brexit comes in. if the experts are wrong, I'll be delighted. But it's a madman who ignores those trained in such things ahead of empty vacuous rhetoric.
The main part on wage increases is supply and demand. There has been plenty of supply. That is why we have record employment. If companies can't get the right workers in they have to offer a higher wage.
1 lol great comparison - these people are predicting what the state of play is a decade down the line, not quibbling over 3 months. If I get cancer I hope I talk to that doctor, I might live for another 10 years.
2 Exactly - it could be a lot worse in 10 years OR it might not be half as bad. Nobody knows.
You're dealing with "best guesses which aren't perfect" ... not an astronmer predicting an eclipse in 10 years time to the second.
The link I put up haven’tThey have got nearly everything wrong that is important for years. Yet we are supposed to believe everything they say.
Really? Can you not phone McDonalds, give them your weight, and based on their ingredients they can say how much you'll weigh in 10 years time? To the nearest stone will do.If I eat McDonalds for every meal I’ll gain weight. Just because I can’t give you an exact figure down to the ounce doesn’t make the principle wrong.
Really? Can you not phone McDonalds, give them your weight, and based on their ingredients they can say how much you'll weigh in 10 years time? To the nearest stone will do.
These experts eh?
Are you saying that I not allowed to think that he isn't good enough to lead the UK for the only reason that the other leaders are also not good enough?Do you accept it’s possible for people to not think he’s the right person for the job overall, but he is in fact the right person for the job given essentially the very small shortlist?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?