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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (5 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,976
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Stop defending him, deluded
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You say that when I'm criticising him in other posts. I asked for quotes or articles, you couldn't find any.

Labour isn't an anti-Semitic party. The Tory membership however has awkwardly admitted it would have a problem with choosing an Asian leader and its current leader has published racist opinions in a national newspaper.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,977
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The answer was a second referendum and that has been the answer since it was clear that May's deal wasn't going to fly. Instead he kept going on about an election that the public didn't want and that he would probably have lost. Now the party position is to get a GE, win it then renegotiate the deal and then campaign against it in a referendum. It's piss poor.
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That’s not the party position at all.

The party position is that Tory Brexit is shit (it is) and Labour will get a better deal cos they don’t have the Tory red lines, then the party will be neutral and allow MPs to campaign for either side. Just like both parties did last time.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,978
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You say that when I'm criticising him in other posts. I asked for quotes or articles, you couldn't find any.

Labour isn't an anti-Semitic party. The Tory membership however has awkwardly admitted it would have a problem with choosing an Asian leader and its current leader has published racist opinions in a national newspaper.
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Don’t forget the Tory conference event titled “Tackling Islamophobia” where they meant tackling people accusing them of that. And the promise for an investigation Sajid Javid had to force out of Johnson on live TV that was immediately shelved once he got to power.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,979
shmmeee said:
Are you capable of posting complete thoughts?
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You say that when I'm criticising him in other posts. I asked for quotes or articles, you couldn't find any.

Labour isn't an anti-Semitic party. The Tory membership however has awkwardly admitted it would have a problem with choosing an Asian leader and its current leader has published racist opinions in a national newspaper.
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Yes I'm capable of posing complete thoughts, however trying to debate with you 2 is like talking to a brick wall as both of you are deluded
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,980
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yes I'm capable of posing complete thoughts, however trying to debate with you 2 is like talking to a brick wall
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Give it a go, you might be surprised.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,981
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You say that when I'm criticising him in other posts. I asked for quotes or articles, you couldn't find any.

Labour isn't an anti-Semitic party. The Tory membership however has awkwardly admitted it would have a problem with choosing an Asian leader and its current leader has published racist opinions in a national newspaper.
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why are the Jewish community of a difference view?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...l-brexit-to-jeremy-corbyn-government-1.490590
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,982
Grendel said:
why are the Jewish community of a difference view?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...l-brexit-to-jeremy-corbyn-government-1.490590
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Don't worry, Brighton will come up with more made up rubbish saying they are wrong
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,983
shmmeee said:
That’s not the party position at all.

The party position is that Tory Brexit is shit (it is) and Labour will get a better deal cos they don’t have the Tory red lines, then the party will be neutral and allow MPs to campaign for either side. Just like both parties did last time.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but is that not a pledge to have a referendum on their own renegotiation?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,984
Grendel said:
why are the Jewish community of a difference view?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...l-brexit-to-jeremy-corbyn-government-1.490590
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Perceptions of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party are wildly different from the reality. I'll pose you the same question G-where are the direct quotes from Corbyn where he is hounding after Jews? Where are the Labour policies calling for the eviction of Jews from the UK? They don't exist. What do exist are a small number of genuine bigots at the grass roots who need booting out of the party.

What exists in the Conservative Party is a much more widespread awkwardness around brown people
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,985
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Don't worry, Brighton will come up with more made up rubbish saying they are wrong
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Dude you can find me criticising Corbyn on the same God damn page
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,986
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dude you can find me criticising Corbyn on the same God damn page
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Don't cry when labour get smashed at the elections.... that is if chicken agrees to the election
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,987
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Don't cry when labour get smashed at the elections.... that is if chicken agrees to the election
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Do you actually read anything before responding?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,988
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Perceptions of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party are wildly different from the reality. I'll pose you the same question G-where are the direct quotes from Corbyn where he is hounding after Jews? Where are the Labour policies calling for the eviction of Jews from the UK? They don't exist. What do exist are a small number of genuine bigots at the grass roots who need booting out of the party.

What exists in the Conservative Party is a much more widespread awkwardness around brown people
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Mr Corbyn has an unfortunate list of coincidences - he has an unfortunate ability to stumble on a stage with some people with some rather odd and unpleasant views and then it seems forget they were there

Mr Corbyn has openly supported terrorists organisations which oddly want to blow people up

He claims to deplore violence on both sides but oddly is only ever seen defending one side

I’ve never understood how he can be so unlucky. He always seemed to find himself at Ira funerals and never unionist ones.

He is seen at a commemoration for Jewish assassins at the 1972 olympics and can’t remember if he laid a wreath or not

I do not think if a politician was seen at a klu klux klan rally and did not speak then people would assume the old chap stumbled there by accident but is really lovely and tolerant
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,989
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Don't cry when labour get smashed at the elections.... that is if chicken agrees to the election
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We've had a vote and decided on our parliament, so get over it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,990
Deleted member 5849 said:
We've had a vote and decided on our parliament, so get over it.
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what vote was that?
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,991
Deleted member 5849 said:
We've had a vote and decided on our parliament, so get over it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA think you need to have a look at yourself before you tell me to 'get over' a vote
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,992
SkyBlueDom26 said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA think you need to have a look at yourself before you tell me to 'get over' a vote
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Ah, Dim at work again, whooooshing away
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,993
Deleted member 5849 said:
Ah, Dim at work again, whooooshing away
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Government may support the Lib Dem bill if it’s own fails
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,994
Deleted member 5849 said:
Ah, Dim at work again, whooooshing away
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Its true though ain't it, good insult by the way ya mug
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,995
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but is that not a pledge to have a referendum on their own renegotiation?
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It is. But not to campaign against it
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,996
djr8369 said:
Nope, you’ve changed what happened even though I explained it to you yesterday. Also, nobody is making excuses for anyone.

Why are you so desperate to defend Grendel? Why can’t you “see both sides” for once as you always claim you do?




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Back to twisting the truth I see. Well done.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,997
Grendel said:
Mr Corbyn has openly supported terrorists organisations which oddly want to blow people up
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Fact check: is Jeremy Corbyn a ‘terrorist sympathiser’?

That's great G just provide the quote and we're on our way. Meanwhile:

Jacob Rees-Mogg attends a dinner with an established racist-Grendel says it's not the same as endorsing his opinions yet when Corbyn is in the same place as a dodgy character, the reverse doesn't apply.

Boris Johnson produces a racist piece in the Telegraph-crickets from Grendel

Priti Patel argues to use a second famine as negotiating leverage with the Irish-crickets from Grendel

43% of Tory members say they'd have a problem with a Muslim PM-crickets from Grendel. What % of Labour members do you think would have a problem with a Jewish PM?

Brexit and the Tory handling of it has done much more to destabilise the UK than Mr Corbyn in the last 3 years.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,998
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Fact check: is Jeremy Corbyn a ‘terrorist sympathiser’?

That's great G just provide the quote and we're on our way. Meanwhile:

Jacob Rees-Mogg attends a dinner with an established racist-Grendel says it's not the same as endorsing his opinions yet when Corbyn is in the same place as a dodgy character, the reverse doesn't apply.

Boris Johnson produces a racist piece in the Telegraph-crickets from Grendel

Priti Patel argues to use a second famine as negotiating leverage with the Irish-crickets from Grendel

43% of Tory members say they'd have a problem with a Muslim PM-crickets from Grendel. What % of Labour members do you think would have a problem with a Jewish PM?

Brexit and the Tory handling of it has done much more to destabilise the UK than Mr Corbyn in the last 3 years.
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the odd thing is your deflection when uncomfortable truths are exposed about Mr Corbyn
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #44,999
shmmeee said:
It is. But not to campaign against it
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But to allow their own MPs to campaign against their own deal.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,000
djr8369 said:
Astute, where are you!?

Grendel has complained about Junker making a racist comment yet he has never once complained about Johnson doing the same. This must be unbearable for you considering how many racist gaffes Johnson has made!?
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Oh the irony.

Boris says something you are all over it. Someone from the EU says something you try to put it onto Boris.

Boris says something I comment on it. Someone from the EU says something I comment on it. You try to change the subject. They all should be treated the same.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,001
Brighton Sky Blue said:
But to allow their own MPs to campaign against their own deal.
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Yes. Just like last time.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,002
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Its true though ain't it, good insult by the way ya mug
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,003
Grendel said:
the odd thing is your deflection when uncomfortable truths are exposed about Mr Corbyn
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You're the unsurpassed master of deflection here. I've responded to your points previously and don't see why I need to do so again-the article linked to sums it up. You still can't bring yourself to criticise the current PM for publishing racist views in the Telegraph, which then published more articles in his defence. You can't comment on nearly half of Tory members not wanting a Muslim PM. You argue that police numbers going down by 10,000 under the Tories is fine because per head, there's more than in 1979.

Let's also not forget your grand prediction that Labour would be annihilated in 2017. Just admit you got it wrong
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,004
shmmeee said:
Yes. Just like last time.
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There was no Labour deal on the table last time. The current position is to negotiate a deal then allow MPs to campaign against it. It's a shite policy
 

Astute

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,005
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Because you're all obsessed with getting your remain anger out and can't keep away. The martcov crown beckons.
I'll be off here in 5 mins as my time is limited. Other things need doing. Putting a curtain pole up. More important than this, believe it or not.
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DJR is Martcov.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,006
Astute said:
DJR is Martcov.
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I thought that aswell
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,007
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There was no Labour deal on the table last time. The current position is to negotiate a deal then allow MPs to campaign against it. It's a shite policy
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Name a better one that isn’t revoke or Johnson’s managed no deal
 

Astute

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,008
shmmeee said:
Both sides playing silly buggers now. Tories want an election out of term, others don’t. Lib Dem’s want to put something forward Labour can’t support so they can say they’re blocking Brexit, anti-Corbynites trying to block and election.

What a lack of political leadership on all sides.
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Only one thing wrong with that post. It is all 3 sides.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,009
shmmeee said:
Name a better one that isn’t revoke or Johnson’s managed no deal
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Legally binding 2nd ref, I've been arguing for it for the best part of a year and we could've had one by now in the total time Brexit has been extended for.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2019
  • #45,010
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You're the unsurpassed master of deflection here. I've responded to your points previously and don't see why I need to do so again-the article linked to sums it up. You still can't bring yourself to criticise the current PM for publishing racist views in the Telegraph, which then published more articles in his defence. You can't comment on nearly half of Tory members not wanting a Muslim PM. You argue that police numbers going down by 10,000 under the Tories is fine because per head, there's more than in 1979.

Let's also not forget your grand prediction that Labour would be annihilated in 2017. Just admit you got it wrong
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You’ve posted a fact check to defend Corbyn which pretty much gives up on defending his independence regarding the IRA

in the end the British public are far more considered than you fine them credit for and will deliver a verdict on Mr Corbyn in December

then we will see who is correct on this
 
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