Any deal going through will come down to conscience against keeping their job at the next GE. It is easy for those who have a conscience that agrees with their voting constituency. But about half will be at odds.I am sure on my travels around the internet tonight the Guardian are suggesting that there are the numbers for the deal to be passed tomorrow.
If the EU think they are tough at driving deals through they sure are going to have some fun time getting the DUP to support anything which isn't going to cost them both arms and legs.
I think the vote tomorrow will come down to how many Labour MPs are going to vote for the deal tomorrow to tip the balance.
Boris may be a childish twat but he isn't an idiot. You don't get to hold the positions he has by being an idiot.
As he isn't an idiot he will know that having some sort of agreement was very important. He never wanted to leave without a trade deal. Now they are going to talk trade deals if it all goes through. If it doesn't go through he will be seen as not being at fault.
Not bad for someone who many like to make out to be an idiot.
You don't have to be a hidden genius if you are not an idiot.From what I can make out he was gung ho for no deal on Cummings advice, got spooked by the spooks and changed his mind and decided to throw the DUP under the bus in the knowledge enough we’re scared in parliament to vote for anything.
He’s said himself his talent is looking foolish all the time so no one knows when it’s genuine. Time will tell how good he is, he may have held those positions, but his record hasn’t been great. Sacked from the press, expensive vanity projects in London, constant gaffes as foreign secretary. Those closest to him say he’s a nice bloke but you wouldn’t want him running the place. I’m not sure I buy the hidden genius story just yet.
You don't have to be a hidden genius if you are not an idiot.
I don't know if this agreement is any good. We will have to see what happens if it gets pushed through. What is most important is what happens afterwards. What sort of deal is agreed on. For all we know we could end up with Brexit in name only.
So Boris and others have been talking to those in charge of the EU. Nothing was going to change to the so called backstop. Suddenly the backstop has gone. Agreements on what happens inside Ireland are agreed in days. Why is this? Sounds like much more is already agreed. There us a unique deal with the EU over Ireland. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another unique deal with the EU and the rest of the UK.
It is nothing more than an agreement that will allow a deal to happen. A big part of the deal that has yet to be decided on will be what happens with Ireland long term.'Convenient' how both parties have agreed a deal just before the voting deadline so that Parliament doesn't have time to scrutinise the small print and uncover any timebombs which might be lurking there?
Any deal going through will come down to conscience against keeping their job at the next GE. It is easy for those who have a conscience that agrees with their voting constituency. But about half will be at odds.
Follow party guidelines?
Just a normal day with Brexit. Nobody has a clue.
But of course we will have those who 'know' what will and what won't happen.
The DUP, being the biggest party in Nortern Ireland seeing that there would be a referendum every four years, would realise that the deal is a huge bargaining chip for them. Seeing that Stormont hasn't sat in a number of years, since coincidentally they had part of the balance of power in Parliament, it would be up to the EU to prove their worth to the DUP the worth of staying in the single market.
History shows they will screw anything to do with Northern Ireland in to what is advantageous for them.
It's the nature of the political beast.
Presumably you’re talking about Great Britain.
You don't have to be a hidden genius if you are not an idiot.
I don't know if this agreement is any good. We will have to see what happens if it gets pushed through. What is most important is what happens afterwards. What sort of deal is agreed on. For all we know we could end up with Brexit in name only.
So Boris and others have been talking to those in charge of the EU. Nothing was going to change to the so called backstop. Suddenly the backstop has gone. Agreements on what happens inside Ireland are agreed in days. Why is this? Sounds like much more is already agreed. There us a unique deal with the EU over Ireland. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another unique deal with the EU and the rest of the UK.
I think the reason the Ireland stuff was agreed in days is because this plan is largely the original plan that was put forward before the backstop. Much of the groundwork on it was already there.
In my opinion the backstop is not the overriding concern of the EU. It's the protection of the single market through the Irish border.
I am guessing the sales of white vans for private individuals will go through the roof soon if the deal is accepted and when it comes into force.
From what I can understand the border down the Irish Sea only applies to businesses.
If there is to be a free trade deal it’s likely that the UK will end up aligned with regulations like food standards.
It’ll take decades and think and hope the UK will not deregulate to appease the USA.I agree. I have always thought any break up from the EU will be a slow progression over many years.
Close alignment at the moment seems about right.
If we do, at some point the USA will become our bogeyman to blame for our problems.It’ll take decades and think and hope the UK will not deregulate to appease the USA.
He’s a liar thoughBoris may be a childish twat but he isn't an idiot. You don't get to hold the positions he has by being an idiot.
As he isn't an idiot he will know that having some sort of agreement was very important. He never wanted to leave without a trade deal. Now they are going to talk trade deals if it all goes through. If it doesn't go through he will be seen as not being at fault.
Not bad for someone who many like to make out to be an idiot.
He’s a liar though
They’ve made up stories and published them??? What do you mean?So are the leaders of the other 2 main parties and also Sturgeon
They’ve made up stories and published them??? What do you mean?
Changing opinion is not lying.well Mr Corbyn describes the Eu as this
Jeremy Corbyn's views on Brexit: a long held stance on Europe
Now you don’t change they form of in bred ideology so everything he says today is a lie to gain power
as for Swinson are you serious?
On Europe;
Jo Swinson said the Liberal Democrats supported an EU referendum in 2008
On austerity:
Can you vote for Jo Swinson if you oppose austerity?
On referendums when it suits
Why do the media keep allowing Jo Swinson to lie about indyref2?
read this
AAV: Watch Jo Swinson lie through her teeth
Swinson is the most appalling leader I’ve seen in Parliament. She couldn’t lie straight in bed
I can’t be bothered to even talk about the national socialist of Scotland who genuinely is a despised and hated figure by many north of the border
One can ch
Changing opinion is not lying.
You seem to be struggling to understanding the difference between a changing of opinion and a lie.well Mr Corbyn describes the Eu as this
Jeremy Corbyn's views on Brexit: a long held stance on Europe
Now you don’t change they form of in bred ideology so everything he says today is a lie to gain power
as for Swinson are you serious?
On Europe;
Jo Swinson said the Liberal Democrats supported an EU referendum in 2008
On austerity:
Can you vote for Jo Swinson if you oppose austerity?
On referendums when it suits
Why do the media keep allowing Jo Swinson to lie about indyref2?
read this
AAV: Watch Jo Swinson lie through her teeth
Swinson is the most appalling leader I’ve seen in Parliament. She couldn’t lie straight in bed
I can’t be bothered to even talk about the national socialist of Scotland who genuinely is a despised and hated figure by many north of the border
Just seems more like trying to get extra money rather than actually concerned about childcare to me. Just seems a waste of debating time even bringing it up, surely it's something you'd speak to your party leader about?
That is definitely the liberal way to approach this subject, and wouldn't disagree with you but the simple creature which is known as a politician follows two rules.
1) How to gain power.
2) How to keep power.
Politics is probably the most amoral profession on the planet.
The DUP, being the biggest party in Nortern Ireland, seeing that there would be a referendum every four years, would realise that the deal is a huge bargaining chip for them. Stormont hasn't sat in a number of years, since coincidentally when they had part of the balance of power in Parliament. It would be up to the EU to prove their worth to the DUP for staying in the single market if the referendum on Northern Ireland staying within the single market ever takes place.
History shows politicians will screw anything to do with what is advantageous for them.
It's the nature of the political beast everywhere.
It is nothing more than an agreement that will allow a deal to happen. A big part of the deal that has yet to be decided on will be what happens with Ireland long term.
People have been so engrossed on the leave/remain argument that they haven't considered much more than the 50/50 call. The good thing about this agreement being pushed through is the serious talks can commence. And I think you will be left a little upset when you find out that leave doesn't mean leave. If anything leaving with a deal will take years to complete.
And all the rest is just guesswork. The EU will want to keep things as close to what they presently are. I think we will continue to pay money into the EU. I wouldn't expect trade to change too much. Preferential immigration?
But of course we will have those who 'know' what will and what won't happen.
Conspiratorial nonsense.
6/5 on SkyBet
22/1 for a dead heat which is worth a bet given how close it is
Wonder if there were odds for the deal not even going to the house as this now seems very likely
Bit rich for the rest of MPs to keep on about that though - the majority of ?He’s a liar though
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