It does depend on the country. In the US Corbyn would be consider an uber-Communist. Over there the likes of Obama, Hilary etc are considered left wing. Over here they'd be slightly to the right. Even Bernie Sanders would be considered a centrist here.
I think over here we've the 'centre' shift to the right economically, but to the left socially.
So it works both ways when someone else says it but when I say it there is only one way it will go. This yet again tells me everything I need to know.Yes it does indeed work both ways but I suspect your last sentence is correct.
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So it works both ways when someone else says it but when I say it there is only one way it will go. This yet again tells me everything I need to know.
Yes I did but you twisted what I said as usualWell you didn’t say that.
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Yes I did but you twisted what I said as usual
Lol.
Yes, interesting points. I think part of the change over here is the Americanisation of our culture. Even Brexit is a symptom of that. We’re increasingly seeing ourselves as more American than European and the internet has accelerated that process.
I’ve got friends who get into American commentators, your Jordan Peterson types, and you can just see them change as there values start to alter.
Me make the effort? I have about given up. That is why I only point out the bullshit these days.No you just didn’t say that. And I have never twisted your words. I have rewritten your words in order to make them more coherent so I can have a discussion with you and you’ve had a tantrum. As usual I go out of my way to be polite and try to engage with you and you just make accusations.
Does it not tell you something that nearly every poster here has made similar comments about your communication style and given up trying to converse with you?
If you do want to have a discussion I’m always open but you have to make the effort too.
Good luck in your endeavours of trying to move abroad with your family.
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We've been aping US culture for quite some time now but I guess as they have so many TV shows etc shown on British TV it almost feels like 'our' culture at times especially to the young as shows are released here at pretty much the same time as the US.
Another thing I've just remembered about the difference between the UK and US politically - that infowars nutter on Newsnight and the other US commentator who called Andrew Neil 'left wing'. :emoji_laughing:
Even if there was a massive pot of gold for the UK it would be a very bad deal as it could mean we leave the EU.There’s nuisances though that people choose to ignore.
Johnson wanted an alternative to the backstop with checks away from border. This was rejected and it was argued risked the GFA
From what I’ve read the new ‘backstop alternative’ allows NI to benefit from new UK trade deals. They will have to follow EU rules on food standards etc but certainly in the short to medium term these are unlikely to significantly diverge from our own. The NI assembly will have the ability to vote to remain in this arrangement every four years. It is in their hands.
I don’t like NI being treated differently to the rest of the UK but attempts have been made to minimise this and as we all know it’s a unique situation in Ireland. Also, there is no reason why a free trade agreement can’t be reached with the EU which will mean tariffs won’t be payable post transition period (even though rebates would be given if they were)
It’s complicated/messy but no deal was likely to lead to far worse problems for NI/Ireland.
No you just didn’t say that. And I have never twisted your words. I have rewritten your words in order to make them more coherent so I can have a discussion with you and you’ve had a tantrum. As usual I go out of my way to be polite and try to engage with you and you just make accusations.
Does it not tell you something that nearly every poster here has made similar comments about your communication style and given up trying to converse with you?
If you do want to have a discussion I’m always open but you have to make the effort too.
Good luck in your endeavours of trying to move abroad with your family.
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Second one was Ben Shapiro (somebody my friends mentioned above tried to tell me was a reasonable right of centre commentator but as far as I can tell is an idiot and a shill). Didn’t realise somebody from Infowars had been on newsnight but that is absurd.
Not sure if the point you’re making is that we’re resisting the outright crazies over here at the moment? I wonder how long that will last though.
I got it wrong - it wasn't Newsnight. It was Alex Jones on Sunday Politics.
There’s nuisances though that people choose to ignore.
Johnson wanted an alternative to the backstop with checks away from border. This was rejected and it was argued risked the GFA
From what I’ve read the new ‘backstop alternative’ allows NI to benefit from new UK trade deals. They will have to follow EU rules on food standards etc but certainly in the short to medium term these are unlikely to significantly diverge from our own. The NI assembly will have the ability to vote to remain in this arrangement every four years. It is in their hands.
I don’t like NI being treated differently to the rest of the UK but attempts have been made to minimise this and as we all know it’s a unique situation in Ireland.
It’s complicated/messy but no deal was likely to lead to far worse problems for NI/Ireland.
Wonder who said this "Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else, to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our Union".I don’t like NI being treated differently to the rest of the UK but attempts have been made to minimise this and as we all know it’s a unique situation in Ireland.
Trying to work out if I can bring myself to watch this.
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Trying to work out if I can bring myself to watch this.
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Amended ta !Freudian slip there but there is no nuance about it.
Wonder who said this "Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else, to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our Union".
HAHAHAHA! He’s the one who Farage does regular interviews with to spread made up crap, imagine actually voting for someone who’s aligned with him. Wow.
Jones should be in jail. He's been indirectly responsible for people getting hurt due to his crackpot followers.
When people voted leave they didn't vote for this deal did they
I don't actually think Corbyn is radically left wing.
Variations of most of his major policies can be found in major western economies, nationalised public transport, free tuition, central government bank etc.
I just think we've lurched that far too the right they are seen as radically left. I thi k it's called Overtons window or something.
It's both butt-clenchingly bad yet hilarious.
Jones should be in jail. He's been indirectly responsible for people getting hurt due to his crackpot followers.
Yeah OK.
Don’t know who this guy is but good summary of how far the situation has degenerated.
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I've followed him on twitter for a while, long time eurosceptic of the reasonable variety now remainer. He's a tory but does make reasonable points.
Don’t know who this guy is but good summary of how far the situation has degenerated.
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If you search back on this thread I'm sure I either posted or mentioned 'simplism' which came from one of his twitter threads. I've come to realise that's the world we live in now.... Even today at work I've just awarded a contract and the media / communications people want every detail condensed into a single line even though it isn't particularly complex in the first place.Thought this was spot on:
It ain’t out there because right wing thought basically isn’t funny.
Edit: also if Top Gear is just a car show, then HIGNFY and Mock The Week are just gameshows.
Finding something funny is completely subjective though. Of course you don't think any right leaning comedy is funny because you're left wing and it doesn't sit well with you.
The comment about Top Gear is ludicrous. It's a car show. That's inherently what it is. Mock The Week has a stand up segment and is billed as a comedy. HIGNFY has a team captain who is a stand up and at least one comedian on the panel and a script written by comedians.
I can't quite believe I had to explain that.
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