The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

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  3. Undecided

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  1. Astute

    Astute Well-Known Member

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    No I haven't changed my time. You don't like my tune so you choose to listen to the tune you like. You refuse to give my tune a chance.
     
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    The question was leave or remain. It would take a real thick twat to not know what leave or remain meant.

    Millions of jobs lost, house price crash and thousands of gravestones if we voted leave. And that was just for starters. It was made to sound like a walk in the park wasn't it.

    Most of what was promised didn't happen. Now you wonder why millions don't believe each disaster forecast since.
     
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    It was all known about well in advance. But the politicians of the day were too scared to tell us the truth. We covered this in detail before. We voted on remaining in the EEC because it was all about trade.

    Then after the vote the truth slowly came out. It was dripfed slowly. The EEC slowly became the EU. But it was all planned many years before.
     
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    Which takes us back to the well known EU comment.

    We can't have our cake and eat it. We either stay as a part of the EU trade agreement in some way then can't make our own deals or we leave the EU trade deals altogether then make our own around the world.

    Some people seem to think we can have both. But that would mean items we brought into the UK from outside the EU would then be suddenly inside the EU without a trade agreement between the EU and those countries. It can't and won't happen.

    This is what I mean when I say tied to the EU. If we make a full free trade agreement with the EU after leaving it will most probably mean we couldn't make our own trade deals still. This would all be down to negotiations but I can't see any of it being allowed.
     
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    No. But as stated Liam Fox said there would be 40 ready to sign the day after the original March leaving date. By that time there were only 3 ready.
    So WTO terms with all but 3 countries until that was sorted. That's would seriously impact the economy.
     
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    EU itself forbids it

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    There aren’t. The government admit this. They aren’t keeping it a secret. You are being delusional to try and stop yourself accepting the issues related to Brexit.


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    It really isn’t. You cannot have a wide open border.




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    Thought you'd left.

    Keep up Clint, back in the summer it was said there were 12 of 40 continuity agreements in place & recently 15 with a further 6 expected to be rolled over should we leave on 31st October.

    And now you will start boring us about how much of our current trade that will be worth. Please don't though...we all know it will leave us short & impact the economy. It will impact others too...and I would still be surprised if no deal was reached

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    That's right...tell all those Syrian (to name but one) migrants that. Weapons always seem to find easy passage across borders too...have you noticed that? That's because borders are pretty soft in general Mexico-USA is probably the hardest I can think of, but where there is a will there is a way - & it will be found

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    No thanks, you’ve just made up more opinions of mine. The fact you’re having so much trouble understanding the difference considering he UK’s self imposed red lines and the differences between the two countries situations is quite bizarre.
     
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    Tell the Syrians that you can’t have an open border for goods? You’re making no sense whatsoever. I know you really, really want Brexit to work, and there are ways that it can, but there’s no point just denying reality and playing make believe.


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    I did leave, but I've revisited the thread. Didn't realise you were a moderator, you're quite welcome to ban me if so.
    And how much those continuity deals are worth is relevant, because not one of them is with a major economy, (perhaps with the exception of Switzerland and South Korea), which you've stated yourself.
     
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    Which makes perfect sense

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    Thus was immediately after, amd followed previous discussion. As it's not what i was looking for, I wasn't going to bother finding the earlier articles.

    But there is a reinvention going on after 45 years. Things were mentioned... tgat haven't even happened!
     
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    Switzerland is a member of EFTA and Schengen you mentalist that’s a big difference from what we want and as I’ve already pointed out to you that’s a well trodden path.
     
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    You and Grendull spent god knows how many pages loosing your shit at anyone who said that French wanting to sell us cheese and wine and Germany wanting to sell us cars was not the ace in the pack that gave us the upper hand in negotiations. So yes, you’ve changed your tune. In fact I predict that you’re about to change it again as per your usual MO.
     
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    That’s existing trade deals as EU members not new trade deals.
     
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    The Mexico-US border is only hard in one direction. America virtually waves everyone through entering Mexico. El Paso has the most gun shops per capita than any other town in America. Reason being Americans buy guns legally in El Paso, cross the border unchecked and then sell the gun on the illegal Mexican black market at a profit. The irony being it’s fuelled gun crime in Mexico contributing to the flow of migrants trying to enter the USA illegally to escape the organised crime and dangers that go with that.
     
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    This shows such a poor understanding of international trade negotiations and EU negotiations in particular.
     
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    Yes???

    The vote was stay as we are or change. We know what stay as we are means cos we are already there.

    I can’t help but feel that only Remainers take Brexit seriously. Leavers seem to think it’s some giant game of gotcha.
     
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    Because we are unable to decide what we want. Next question?
     
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    it takes an average of 18 months to negotiate a trade deal and just short of 4 years to implement, (that's based on US negotiations with its partners). This has all been posted on this thread before but people just choose to ignore the facts.
     
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    This can’t be right as everything is going to be sorted in the next two weeks isn’t it?



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    Israel Palestine says hi
     
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    It'll be okay, we'll make a great deal with the bloke who just sold out the kurds.
    And the political academics will have fodder for decades.
     
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    Marvellous history lesson - thanks

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    Yep that is another hard one. No personal experience of either myself.

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    I am referring to getting the Brexit deal done

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    What? They are the number of rollover agreements, to continue trading as we do currently, with said countries post-Brexit. They aren't new deals because we cannot sign new deals yet.

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    I am back at that point where i am thinking 'fuck it, let it happen'.
    Let all these cocksure 'fuck the experts' clowns reap what they sow. They certainly don't listen to reason so i think the only thing that might, just might, weaken their resolve is to let all the shit hit all the fans.
    Pre-2016 something like 6% of people thought membership of the eu concerned them. Now, it's probably close to 100. Something has to give. Let them have their precious brexit.
     
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    This is the mentality (also expressed by some of this thread) we're having to deal with. The UK is being humiliated by these utter arseholes:

     
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    The thing is they won’t reap what they sow. We will.


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    Yeah, but we'll have a pyrrhic sense of superiority. Heals all ills.
     
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    But we can negotiate new deals and have them ready to sign, we were told this would happen, quite clearly it hasn't and isn't going to, (which is to be expected when we don't know the terms of our exit), so when we leave the economy is going to take a battering.
    Government spending is already up and expected to increase even more significantly in the case of no deal. Clearly the outlook isn't good.
     

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