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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (21 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,076
Astute said:
I call out the bullshit from everyone.
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Yeah sure.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,077
Astute said:
Me deluded?

So are you saying that the EU won't want a trade deal with us if we don't accept the dictated terms presently on offer?

And you call me deluded :smuggrin:
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You used to go on about German cars and French cheese meaning the UK was in a powerful position and held of the cards and would get a withdrawal agreement heavily in its favour based on this, so I'm not sure you're the expert on this one.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,078
djr8369 said:
“Typical remainer rag”

As discussed at length above, the point is not whether the paper is pro remain or whether there is a certain irony in Corbyn being seen as the saviour. It’s that a major newspaper that in any other circumstance would be pro Tory is now calling out the government and saying a Corbyn led caretaker government is preferable .


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It’s not suggesting Corbyn is a saviour it just recognised as I said all of yesterday that it’s the only legitimate route for reversal - the telegraph and the mail on Sunday are equally pro remain publications
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,079
Grendel said:
I cannot find a single expert that believes the prime minister can not control the date.
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What about the experts on here that know better than anyone else?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,080
Sick Boy said:
You used to go on about German cars and French cheese meaning the UK was in a powerful position and held of the cards and would get a withdrawal agreement heavily in its favour based on this, so I'm not sure you're the expert on this one.
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So you really think that everyone who lives in the EU and depend on us for a large amount of what they produce are really happy with the way those running the EU are dealing with the situation?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,081
Astute said:
What about the experts on here that know better than anyone else?
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I have said Tony should arrange a meeting with Corbyn, Sturgeon, the silly green women and the sillier one from Wales as he clearly has a better understanding of the constitution than Dominic Cummings, Andrew Neil, the BBC constitutional expert, historians such as Starkey

He could save the day as he knows more than anyone. Well he thinks differently to everyone anyway.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,082
Astute said:
So you really think that everyone who lives in the EU and depend on us for a large amount of what they produce are really happy with the way those running the EU are dealing with the situation?
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What have the EU done wrong? Let's hear it.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,083
Grendel said:
I have said Tony should arrange a meeting with Corbyn, Sturgeon, the silly green women and the sillier one from Wales as he clearly has a better understanding of the constitution than Dominic Cummings, Andrew Neil, the BBC constitutional expert, historians such as Starkey

He could save the day as he knows more than anyone. Well he thinks differently to everyone anyway.
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It was one of my first posts when doing a catch up on the situation. He is just showing that he hasn't got a clue on what is going on but makes out he kniws everything.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,084
fernandopartridge said:
What have the EU done wrong? Let's hear it.
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Hear what?

Have I said they have done anything wrong on the subject? Not at all. But as usual you jump on a post of mine. Just like you have since Bradford away when you made out I was wrong because you was there. The problem was so was I and the event was right in front of me. Then it turned out that I was right. Ever since you have acted like a child. Well done.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,085
Astute said:
Hear what?

Have I said they have done anything wrong on the subject? Not at all. But as usual you jump on a post of mine. Just like you have since Bradford away when you made out I was wrong because you was there. The problem was so was I and the event was right in front of me. Then it turned out that I was right. Ever since you have acted like a child. Well done.
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Here it is in case you have forgotten what you wrote a few minutes ago.

Astute said:
So you really think that everyone who lives in the EU and depend on us for a large amount of what they produce are really happy with the way those running the EU are dealing with the situation?
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,086
SkyblueBazza said:
Fair enough - I can accept that. No offence intended.

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An example of humility and politeness deserves more recognition in this thread.


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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,087
Astute said:
Me deluded?

So are you saying that the EU won't want a trade deal with us if we don't accept the dictated terms presently on offer?

And you call me deluded :smuggrin:
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Trade deal: yes

Quick trade deal that leaves our economy mostly intact: we’ve got literally the only possible one on offer.

People need to realise that given our own self imposed red lines May did an amazing job. We are good at soft power, that’s why it’s so mental to throw it away. We got concessions.

The Brexit grifters need you to think there’s a better deal so you’ll give them attention (money) or votes. There isn’t. You are being played.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,088
shmmeee said:
People need to realise that given our own self imposed red lines May did an amazing job.
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Don't you mean a national traitor collaborating with the 4th Reich?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,089
Astute said:
So you really think that everyone who lives in the EU and depend on us for a large amount of what they produce are really happy with the way those running the EU are dealing with the situation?
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Do you know any Europeans?

Mostly they’re bemused that we are shooting ourselves in the foot and a little bit sad for us. This idea that they’re fuming about Brexit is utter bollocks.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,090
shmmeee said:
Do you know any Europeans?

Mostly they’re bemused that we are shooting ourselves in the foot and a little bit sad for us. This idea that they’re fuming about Brexit is utter bollocks.
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How many do you know? Do some work in the council cafe and serve you tea and toast in the morning?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,091
Grendel said:
How many do you know? Do some work in the council cafe and serve you tea and toast in the morning?
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Most of the people I worked with in my PhD were there on European research grants-as was the prof. Don't worry they'll all disappear soon enough when the grants go
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,092
shmmeee said:
given our own self imposed red lines.
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This is key. For all the talk of the EU offering something else there isn’t much wriggle room.




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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,093
shmmeee said:
Do you know any Europeans?

Mostly they’re bemused that we are shooting ourselves in the foot and a little bit sad for us. This idea that they’re fuming about Brexit is utter bollocks.
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No one over here seems bothered at all.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,094
How ironic, people moaning about democracy but then not getting on with leaving the EU and going against the majority to try and overturn brexit... haha couldn't make it up
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,095
Astute said:
So you really think that everyone who lives in the EU and depend on us for a large amount of what they produce are really happy with the way those running the EU are dealing with the situation?
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Go on then, name a country that depends on the UK and is not happy with the EU's handling of it?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,096
SkyBlueDom26 said:
How ironic, people moaning about the sovereignty of Parliament but then not getting on with letting Parliament sit and going against the interests of the nation to try and ram in no deal... haha couldn't make it up
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I know crazy
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,097
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I know crazy
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All to busy bitching and trying to overturn brexit, what else is Borris meant to do? Parliament is meant to be delivering brexit!!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,098
SkyBlueDom26 said:
All to busy bitching and trying to overturn brexit, what else is Borris meant to do? Parliament is meant to be delivering brexit!!
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Not be a dictator?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,099
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not be a dictator?
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We're leaving the EU
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,100
SkyBlueDom26 said:
We're leaving the EU
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Not an answer though is it-do you not see the irony in suppressing democracy in the name of preserving it?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,101
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not an answer though is it-do you not see the irony in suppressing democracy in the name of preserving it?
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Oh for goodness sake. This can be stopped if everyone who opposes it accepts Corbyn as a 2 week stand in
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,102
Grendel said:
Oh for goodness sake. This can be stopped if everyone who opposes it accepts Corbyn as a 2 week stand in
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Suppose Corbyn prorogued Parliament under similar circumstances. Would you react in the same way? Just as you presumably have no problem with him trying to 'get his grubby hands on the keys to No. 10'. If the timeframe involved is trivially small, why go to the trouble of denying it to Parliament?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,103
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not be a dictator?
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Dictator is a little OTT !

Ps also what are these ‘stop the coup’ marches ?! As he’s already PM how is he seizing power from the government ?! Unless it’s relating to the other meaning of ‘coup’ - an instance of successfully achieving something difficult ??
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,104
CCFCSteve said:
Dictator is a little OTT !

Ps also what are these ‘stop the coup’ marches ?! As he’s already PM how is he seizing power from the government ?! Unless it’s relating to the other meaning of ‘coup’ - an instance of successfully achieving something difficult ??
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Seizing power from parliament which is where it resides.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,105
CCFCSteve said:
Dictator is a little OTT !

Ps also what are these ‘stop the coup’ marches ?! As he’s already PM how is he seizing power from the government ?! Unless it’s relating to the other meaning of ‘coup’ - an instance of successfully achieving something difficult ??
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Ha well as close to one as he can be under our setup. Though just imagine Corbyn acting in the same way and then imagine the response from the likes of G
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,106
Just bloody deleted my post accidentally !!! (Was trying to edit)
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,107
CCFCSteve said:
Still don’t quite get it. Parliament has had three years to impress its will on the government, agree to the WA or between themselves agree alternative proposals.

Do you know ‘the plan’ of the alliance (before yesterday)....request a further delay ?! (Which by no means would be given from Macrons previous stance)

As I’ve said, like it or not (and I don’t like the method) Johnson is bringing matters to a head. Parliament still has options so how is Johnson seizing power from it ?!! What he’s saying is if you’re going to do something, do it now otherwise we will get on with trying to deliver Brexit.

A dictator would’ve prologued parliament from now until 1 November.
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There are two explanations. The one you suggest in your final sentence or that they have very carefully chosen the time limit to achieve a balance between giving parliament too little time to get anything done while be able to maintain a shred of credibility.


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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,108
thanks DJR...my deleted post copied and pasted from your reply !

Still don’t quite get it. Parliament has had three years to impress its will on the government, agree to the WA or between themselves agree alternative proposals.

Do you know ‘the plan’ of the alliance (before yesterday)....request a further delay ?! (Which by no means would be given from Macrons previous stance)

As I’ve said, like it or not (and I don’t like the method) Johnson is bringing matters to a head. Parliament still has options so how is Johnson seizing power from it ?!! What he’s saying is if you’re going to do something, do it now otherwise we will get on with trying to deliver Brexit.

A dictator would’ve prorogued parliament from now until 1 November.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,109
CCFCSteve said:
What he’s saying is if you’re going to do something, do it now otherwise we will get on with trying to deliver Brexit.
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I think actually it's the EU saying that. They've accepted it long ago and just want to know what we're actually doing so they can prepare either way. There's no reason for them to make concessions from a deal that works for them just so Boris can slap it on a lunchbox and call an election. All he's succeeding in is hurting the pound and giving more ammunition to the SNP
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 29, 2019
  • #40,110
SkyBlueDom26 said:
How ironic, people moaning about democracy but then not getting on with leaving the EU and going against the majority to try and overturn brexit... haha couldn't make it up
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Or - how ironic. People who have rallied against a second referendum now supporting the prorogueing of parliament, haha, couldn't make it up.

As far as im concerned you're either a supporter of a parliamentary democracy who is against both or you are in favour of either option but not a supporter of parliamentary democracy but you can't just choose to support democracy when it suits your agenda.
 
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