And when did the 2nd Ref crew start calling for that? How successful were they?
The fact you keep ignoring is that Labour has the most complex voting demographic in the country. It was always going to be much harder for them to keep their voters happy. The strategy of trying to be in control of the narrative was the right one.
More likely that Farage will hoover them up
Well aware of Labour's problem in that regard, and for what it's worth I do think the 2nd ref shouts came too early. I think it was fair to allow the government to try and negotiate and make the process work-once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen then the right thing to do was bring it back to the people. Labour would have been weakened, not strengthened by another election
Moderate tories surely need to jump ship
Not sure you can take TIG’s polling statistics as proof but I get where you’re coming from.And then some.... centre politics is dead. Just ask the currently polling at 0% TIG....
I have. Can’t see me ever voting Tory again, which has always been my default position. Said originally that I’d keep voting Tory in the council elections but they’ve blown that today as well.
Corbyn rejected a fudged Eu deal which pretty much kept us in anyway in all but name. It never would have voted for any deal that may came up with.
All Corbyn wanted was his grubby paws on the keys to number 10
Staying with UKIP now Tony?
Well aware of Labour's problem in that regard, and for what it's worth I do think the 2nd ref shouts came too early. I think it was fair to allow the government to try and negotiate and make the process work-once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen then the right thing to do was bring it back to the people. Labour would have been weakened, not strengthened by another election
which pretty much kept us in anyway in all but name.
he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO
In what way?
Can't disagree about Corbyn though, he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO
Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.He has and also surrounded himself with the wrong types, his shadow cabinet is a joke.
Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.
Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.
Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.
Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.
He openly writes racist articles and gets to be PM
Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.
Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.
wasn't aware of that one!Don’t forget the pork pies over pork pies the other day.
wasn't aware of that one!
Greens most likely, at least for the meantime.
Did you read your link and see why you’re wrong like I invited you too.
wasn't aware of that one!
In what way?
Can't disagree about Corbyn though, he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO
I think Cameron believed he wouldn't win a majority and that the referendum promise would have been scraped during negotiations with the Lib Dems. It was shocking that there was no viable long-term plan if the vote had been to leave. Saying that, I don't believe there is a viable long term plan now either.Pursuing a GE was the riskiest of all strategies especially for Labour and Corbyn. Tories would have pitched it as ‘those against the will of the people’ - it’s hardly personal ambition.
The long term future of the country went to shit the day the referendum was announced.
Pork pies sold to Iceland and Thailand which of course they were
I think Cameron believed he wouldn't win a majority and that the referendum promise would have been scraped during negotiations with the Lib Dems. It was shocking that there was no viable long-term plan if the vote had been to leave. Saying that, I don't believe there is a viable long term plan now either.
I think Cameron believed he wouldn't win a majority and that the referendum promise would have been scraped during negotiations with the Lib Dems. It was shocking that there was no viable long-term plan if the vote had been to leave. Saying that, I don't believe there is a viable long term plan now either.
Cameron got his majority because Labour were so bad at showing themselves as being any different to the Tories at that time.
Hell yeah
I read an article about him, it said he wanted to produce a manifesto not too dissimilar to Labour 2017 but was stopped/blocked/talked out of it by people like Leslie, Cooper, Burnham and others.
It doesn't surprise me but if the story's true it's probably just as well he didn't get in. The Mail's stuff on his dad was disgusting
I read an article about him, it said he wanted to produce a manifesto not too dissimilar to Labour 2017 but was stopped/blocked/talked out of it by people like Leslie, Cooper, Burnham and others.
By attempting to bring Leave and Remain together? Labour’s intransigence (although frustrating because it would never be supported by the media) was the way it should have been done from Day 1.
If you listen to his podcast it’s pretty clear he’s a proper lefty.
You have only have to look at that plinth - it’s nothingy bollocks.
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