Grendel
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You should go on question time and word for word repeat that - I think you need a lie down you’ve lost your mind
The elected representatives don't hold executive power which is in the hands of an unelected old woman and superseded by a building overflowing with unelected peers. It's amazing how you perform these mental gymnastics to justify the Prime Minister acting in this way
Why are Tony, Brighton and co avoiding this simple basic fact?
You should go on question time and word for word repeat that - I think you need a lie down you’ve lost your mind
“The prime minister controls the timetable” and this article purely focuses on the normal protocol prior to the Parliament Act. There are several commentators who actually say the act was hastily put together and the government can delay further due to a constitutional loophole in the wording
Even if the prior legislature is accepted as fact there is zero doubt that the prime minister can organise an election in November
The fact this has been abandoned as a plan by the usual suspects tells you something
Is it too late to hold an election before Brexit?
Why are Tony, Brighton and co avoiding this simple basic fact?
The elected representatives are in parliament and 83% of the public voted for parties committed to delivering an exit from the European Union
Why are Tony, Brighton and co avoiding this simple basic fact?
Because Corbyn cannot command enough MPs who would back a government led by him and if another election is called it will essentially be a Brexit referendum with the Remain vote split between Labour and the Libs which will hand Johnson a supermajority. Much better to just have a referendum outright and put your preference to the test
Why do you keep banging on about a VoNC? It doesn’t legitimise what Johnson is attempting and in fact reduces his motive for trying to force no deal through in this manner.
Again, please stop deflecting.
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Because Corbyn cannot command enough MPs who would back a government led by him and if another election is called it will essentially be a Brexit referendum with the Remain vote split between Labour and the Libs which will hand Johnson a supermajority. Much better to just have a referendum outright and put your preference to the test
Then there can’t be enough MP’s that want to stop a No-Deal. The Lib Dems want a place at the table more than they want to stop a No-Deal.
Because if they don’t they should accept the government is the constitutional elected government and not try and prevent them acting as the government by means that threaten our democratic processes
Corbyn’s route of VONC and temp government is actually the ONLY route to stop a no-deal Brexit if Boris wants to pursue it - in this parliament at least.
So it come down to those who say he can’t command a majority - what do you want more?
Well with respect Johnson was elected very clearly by the MPs and his members to leave on Oct 31
There is and always has been a clear way to avoid this. According to you a hard Brexit is Armageddon - so the green Mp, the welsh and Scottish nationalists, the undems and austerity Anna and her motley bunch will all back Corbyn as this is a national crises and not time to play party politics.
So is it a national crises or are we playing party politics? I hate to break it to you but Sturgeon wants a hard Brexit as she wants power. Swinson wants to just revoke article 50. Corbyn has rejected the most moderate leave arrangement possible as he wanted the top job
Now as all these people are as bad as Mr Johnson you somehow want the queen to run the country
It’s hysterical
Then there can’t be enough MP’s that want to stop a No-Deal. The Lib Dems want a place at the table more than they want to stop a No-Deal.
Which means that party manoeuvres are more important than stopping a No Deal.I don't disagree but the question was why doesn't Corbyn form an alternative government-the answer is he couldn't with the MPs available
Well with respect Johnson was elected very clearly by the MPs and his members to leave on Oct 31
There is and always has been a clear way to avoid this. According to you a hard Brexit is Armageddon - so the green Mp, the welsh and Scottish nationalists, the undems and austerity Anna and her motley bunch will all back Corbyn as this is a national crises and not time to play party politics.
So is it a national crises or are we playing party politics? I hate to break it to you but Sturgeon wants a hard Brexit as she wants power. Swinson wants to just revoke article 50. Corbyn has rejected the most moderate leave arrangement possible as he wanted the top job
Now as all these people are as bad as Mr Johnson you somehow want the queen to run the country
It’s hysterical
Which means that party manoeuvres are more important than stopping a No Deal.
Swinson, Soubry and the so-called Tory rebel’s all claim to want to stop no deal at all costs. It’s not true is it.
Johnson wants a VONC. He wants an election run on “these bastards are stopping Brexit”
Because they are all scrambling for their own bits of power. They would however back another referendum with a Brexit extension to allow the vote to take place. If the Brexiters think they have enough support they won't shy away from a second vote.
Still deflecting
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No I’m not. Do you accept the opposition action was more anti democratic than suspending parliament?
No I don’t accept that as that’s ridiculous.
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You should go on question time and word for word repeat that - I think you need a lie down you’ve lost your mind
Labour policy is GE is preferable to 2nd referendum.
Put up or shut up Corbyn.
Based on what?
Based on what?
I don't know how many times I have to say I don't want another GE
Corbyn does though.
...Or at least he did last week: "Brexit must go back to the people in a General Election"
Yep and after a nice long summer holidaySo it's 5 weeks from 9th September (presumably some of this is the traditional party conference season)
Based on the fact the commons is there to discuss and vote on legislation and removing its right to do so is, by definition, anti democratic as the commons is the voice of the people.
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Bollocks. When was the last time such a motion has been allowed in parliament to forced government to act against policy without a no confidence motion?
When was the last time a Prime Minister sought to prorogue Parliament to force through a shit policy
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