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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (3 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,786
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Do ya honestly rekon remain would win? Not a chance
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Yes, I do, but I was accepting your point that leave would convincingly win for argument’s sake and saying let’s go for it. You can’t lose.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,787
martcov said:
Yes, I do, but I was accepting your point that leave would convincingly win for argument’s sake and saying let’s go for it. You can’t lose.
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There won't be another ref though, if corbyn gets behind a peoples vote he will lose all the leaver voters from his party
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,788
martcov said:
Because I’m speaking factually?
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No you are talking rubbish which is acknowledged by sensible remain voters now on here
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,789
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Do ya honestly rekon remain would win? Not a chance
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It's certainly far from a foregone conclusion but it'd have every chance of doing so.

Last referendum was very close and the consensus is that leave voters came out in force while many who preferred remain didn't due to apathy and overconfidence as they felt it highly likely that remain would win. So now they know whats at stake a great many more would turn out (although the youth vote you never know) Plus if Remain actually didn't make such a ham fisted effort of their campaign a second time round (no guarantee of that) and actually showed what would be lost

Also, if you make it absolutely clear what you're voting for (ie no deal) there are a significant number of leavers who actually wanted to keep certain parts and were under the impression in the first referendum we could pick and choose. This time they'll have to decide whether the bits they want to lose are more important than the bits they want keep and are willing to put up with that pain and inconvenience. I reckon there's a fair few with business interests who would decide it wasn't.

Some would possibly change from Remain to Leave because they felt like after the referendum it should be adhered to but a second referendum would IMO be much closer than the first.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,790
No one wins though on a second referendum - it’s another cluster fuck which will end up a minority result one way or another so again it will not be accepted and we just start all over again.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,791
Grendel said:
No one wins though on a second referendum - it’s another cluster fuck which will end up a minority result one way or another so again it will not be accepted and we just start all over again.
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Exactly, there has been 1 referendum which leave won. There won't be another one
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,792
The other factor anyway is Farage.

It does not matter what anyone thinks of Farage he is easily the most skilled at mobilising support from the elements of society that have been let down in society. Him against Charisma Cable, U Turn Corbyn and Boarding School Lucas is no contest

Bring Johnson in clowning around and it’s a knock out contest

Then what? Crash and burn
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,793
Grendel said:
The other factor anyway is Farage.

It does not matter what anyone thinks of Farage he is easily the most skilled at mobilising support from the elements of society that have been let down in society. Him against Charisma Cable, U Turn Corbyn and Boarding School Lucas is no contest

Bring Johnson in clowning around and it’s a knock out contest

Then what? Crash and burn
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Why isn't farage still your avatar?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,794
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why isn't farage still your avatar?
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One day only
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,795
Grendel said:
One day only
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He'd be Disappointed with that
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,796
Grendel said:
No you are talking rubbish which is acknowledged by sensible remain voters now on here
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What was wrong then?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,797
Grendel said:
Businesses are more prepared to accept this than you’d believe. They may not want it but the general view is a resolution will be had

The negotiating strategy all along was totally wrong. The strategy should have been to prepare for leave first on the worst terms and not even speak to the Eu until then. Instead May is like some sales manager whose got some dealer support to offer her dealers. She’s told the maximum is 5 grand but get as low as you can

Every dealer May stumbles into she drops her trousers and hands the 5 grand over

The Eu knew under her they’d be safe, now not so. The tactics on both sides will change very quickly
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London is under threat of losing influence as a financial centre:

Brexit fallout sees New York overtake London as world’s leading financial centre
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,798
martcov said:
What was wrong then?
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The simple fact that intelligent posters acknowledge we have to leave and it’s the type of leave that needs to be decided

Another referendum just continues a civil war
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,799
martcov said:
London is under threat of losing influence as a financial centre:

Brexit fallout sees New York overtake London as world’s leading financial centre
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Again irrelevant and shows how embarrassingly out of touch you now are on here
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,800
Grendel said:
The simple fact that intelligent posters acknowledge we have to leave and it’s the type of leave that needs to be decided

Another referendum just continues a civil war
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Some may do, but others see leave, especially no deal leave, as a disaster to be avoided at all costs.

Here is an example of the, possible, effect of labour going full out remain based on polls:
FactCheck: would Labour win an election if it backed remain?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,801
Grendel said:
Again irrelevant and shows how embarrassingly out of touch you now are on here
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It is not irrelevant and has been warned about from the word go.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,802
Grendel said:
The simple fact that intelligent posters acknowledge we have to leave and it’s the type of leave that needs to be decided

Another referendum just continues a civil war
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Whereas crashing the country to carry out a misguided and flawed referendum will put the matter to rest?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,803
martcov said:
Whereas crashing the country to carry out a misguided and flawed referendum will put the matter to rest?
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No that’s why I’ve said the public needs to decide how to leave in a dignified and as mutually exclusive manner as possible
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,804
Grendel said:
No that’s why I’ve said the public needs to decide how to leave in a dignified and as mutually exclusive manner as possible
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Or to remain if the people see that as a better alternative to what is on the table as leaving. If, as you claim, intelligent remainers see the necessity of leaving, leavers see the necessity of leaving and all negative points are irrelevant anyway, then it will be a walk over and any remain vote will be a futile protest vote. Great. Your points will have been proved and the country can move on. Why are you worried about people voting on any deal v remain? You can’t lose according to yourself.
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,805
Grendel said:
The simple fact that intelligent posters acknowledge we have to leave and it’s the type of leave that needs to be decided

Another referendum just continues a civil war
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Fuck me, imagine a civil war in todays Britain. You'd have gender fluid hipsters holding up signs while some little hood rat shanks them and everybody else focusing on selfies rather than actually going toe to toe with someone.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,806
ccfc92 said:
Fuck me, imagine a civil war in todays Britain. You'd have gender fluid hipsters holding up signs while some little hood rat shanks them and everybody else focusing on selfies rather than actually going toe to toe with someone.
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No. The weapons of choice are stocked by Burger King, 5 guys and MacDonalds. Readily available. At the War of the Roses the choice of side was shown by a red rose or a white rose. Remain supporting lefties have gone for pink or light coloured milk shakes. The right wing ers have yet to decide a suitable retaliatory colour milkshake.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,807
martcov said:
Or to remain if the people see that as a better alternative to what is on the table as leaving. If, as you claim, intelligent remainers see the necessity of leaving, leavers see the necessity of leaving and all negative points are irrelevant anyway, then it will be a walk over and any remain vote will be a futile protest vote. Great. Your points will have been proved and the country can move on. Why are you worried about people voting on any deal v remain? You can’t lose according to yourself.
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Again the point sales over your head
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,808
martcov said:
No. The weapons of choice are stocked by Burger King, 5 guys and MacDonalds. Readily available. At the War of the Roses the choice of side was shown by a red rose or a white rose. Remain supporting lefties have gone for pink or light coloured milk shakes. The right wing ers have yet to decide a suitable retaliatory colour milkshake.
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Surely the remain lefties should not discriminate against the colour of milkshakes, unlike the racist leavers?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,809
ccfc92 said:
Surely the remain lefties should not discriminate against the colour of milkshakes, unlike the racist leavers?
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The light coloured milkshakes have a connection to white racists, which is why UKIP gets targeted. So I think the right wing racists should throw brown milkshakes at snowflakes because of the snowflakes encouraging Islamists, or maybe red because of their commie hippy Guardian remainer views. ( joking of course)
 
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ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,810
martcov said:
The light coloured milkshakes have a connection to white racists, which is why UKIP gets targeted. So I think the right wing racists should throw brown milkshakes at snowflakes because of the snowflakes encouraging Islamists, or maybe red because of their commie hippy Guardian remainer views. ( joking of course)
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That makes sense to be fair :joyful:
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,811
djr8369 said:
We can leave, just not with no deal which was never what was suggested by the leave campaigns.


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I don't seem to remember it being said we would leave with a deal either.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,812
Astute said:
I don't seem to remember it being said we would leave with a deal either.
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Strange as the leave campaigners repeatedly stressed what a good deal we would get.


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skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,813
Astute said:
I don't seem to remember it being said we would leave with a deal either.
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You really wasn’t paying attention then. The EU will bend over backwards to do a deal with us, cheese blah blah blah, wine blah blah blah, German cars blah blah blah, easiest deal in history said Liam Fox etc etc etc.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,814
Grendel said:
No one wins though on a second referendum - it’s another cluster fuck which will end up a minority result one way or another so again it will not be accepted and we just start all over again.
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Depressingly, you’re probably correct. This is why a compromise has to be found and the EEA would be a fair outcome between the two.

The UK would lose its voice and influence within Europe but the country is bitterly divided and that isn’t going to go away anytime soon.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,815
Astute said:
I don't seem to remember it being said we would leave with a deal either.
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At one point they were claiming that the UK could enjoy the exact same benefits of the Single Market without being in it. Some were even saying that leaving it didn’t have to mean leaving the SM.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,816
ccfc92 said:
Fuck me, imagine a civil war in todays Britain. You'd have gender fluid hipsters holding up signs while some little hood rat shanks them and everybody else focusing on selfies rather than actually going toe to toe with someone.
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It sounds like a shit version of Black Mirror.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,817
Sick Boy said:
At one point they were claiming that the UK could enjoy the exact same benefits of the Single Market without being in it. Some were even saying that leaving it didn’t have to mean leaving the SM.
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“Nobody is talking about leaving the single market”




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skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,818
djr8369 said:
“Nobody is talking about leaving the single market”




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Which in a matter of weeks turned into we know what we voted for.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,819
djr8369 said:
“Nobody is talking about leaving the single market”




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Missing this
 
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martcov

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  • May 28, 2019
  • #36,820
Sick Boy said:
At one point they were claiming that the UK could enjoy the exact same benefits of the Single Market without being in it. Some were even saying that leaving it didn’t have to mean leaving the SM.
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Boris Johnson said he would vote to remain in the CU and SM before the referendum.
 
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