As both are not popular with most voters, remain has to be on the table as an alternative.
I guess we could do it like voting in a GE in FPTP. Usually the party that gets 30% of the vote from 30% of the population gets to form a government. So lets get all the option down at once - second referendum, May's deal and no deal - and then whichever gets the most MP's voting for it, that's what we do.
I want Blair to lead the campaign with commandant in chief Campbell and tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber (aka Cleggy and Cameron) his sidekicks.
That should do the trick
I'm not arguing that the Leave campaign was massively ambiguous and economical with the truth about what could and would be achievable. But it should've been set out as a clear two step process:
1. We leave the EU entirely and trade under WTO
2. After leaving we begin the process of negotiating new trade deals as a non-EU country.
That way at least this wrangling over pro and anti Brexit dividing the country for three years wouldn't have happened. We'd be out and that would be that.
Of all the people I know that voted leave there's no consensus between them of what they wanted. Some wanted to restrict freedom of movement (although ironically when pointed out this could make it their holidays abroad more awkward and expensive they weren't happy about it), others didn't because they work abroad. Some wanted no customs union, others did because it would affect their business. Some wanted to regain control of our laws despite not seeming to know exactly which ones they didn't want or which were EU driven and which weren't. I'm not sure most of the time.
That is why I favour a second referendum - purely to make the option completely and totally unambiguous.
I want Blair to lead the campaign with commandant in chief Campbell and tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber (aka Cleggy and Cameron) his sidekicks.
That should do the trick
Vote of confidence. Lab Lib SNP plus some older remainer Tories against the rest of the Tories and DUP. Bye bye Tories. GE and/or PV. Parliament is at an impasse, put the cards on the table and let the people decide on the Brexit we now can see versus remain.
It’s only the end if they go full tilt remain.You really are clueless - even the lefts favourite friend Owen Jones admires it’s the end of the road for labour - why would he say that?
Apart from him having being expelled from Labour.
It’s only the end if they go full tilt remain.
As both are not popular with most voters, remain has to be on the table as an alternative.
As both are not popular with most voters, remain has to be on the table as an alternative.
They say they will be supporting remain on the ballot and are pushing it to become official policy
It’s only the end if they go full tilt remain.
There’s data that suggests lab lost 70% of their votes to pro remain parties so don’t be so sure.
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If there was a general election the obvious thing from a Tory perspective to do is do s deal with Farage
Promise immediate exit from the Eu and of labour now side with remain get Farage to only put brexit candidates on key labour areas who want leave. Stand the Tory candidates down. Labour would get smashed in these seats
Boris Johnson would be s hopeless PM but would be a very good general election vote winner and there is every chance he’d get through
There’s data that suggests lab lost 70% of their votes to pro remain parties so don’t be so sure.
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Quite possibly how it will play out but the fallout from no deal will surely then destroy the Tories.
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Probably right... but you have to look at locations of those seats. The Labour leave vote is concentrated in the N of England. If Labour loses that they can’t make it up by floaty centrists from the Home Counties.
Businesses are more prepared to accept this than you’d believe. They may not want it but the general view is a resolution will be had
The negotiating strategy all along was totally wrong. The strategy should have been to prepare for leave first on the worst terms and not even speak to the Eu until then. Instead May is like some sales manager whose got some dealer support to offer her dealers. She’s told the maximum is 5 grand but get as low as you can
Every dealer May stumbles into she drops her trousers and hands the 5 grand over
The Eu knew under her they’d be safe, now not so. The tactics on both sides will change very quickly
I was going to put that in too, but the furore of MP's voting for remain against the previous referendum results would just see the likes of Farage et al getting more traction. To get remain it would have to come from the people, hence the second referendum with remain and no deal as the options. (I would say remain, May's deal, no deal) but that would just lead to Brexiteers claiming that the ballot split the leave vote and favoured remain so isn't viable).
The other potential option is to get an idea of what the public want by putting all the different facets like customs union/freedom of movement etc on a sheet and saying to you want to keep or lose them so the government can actually approach the negotiations with an idea of exactly which bits the people most wanted to keep/lose. But in that scenario I reckon you'd end up with every single option being to keep them and thus we wouldn't actually want to leave any part at all. Plus it'd be pretty complicated to do.
They could have done that if they hadn’t started the article 50 process so soon.
How prepared for no deal do you think business is and what are you basing it on?
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I’m basing it on my own experience with the company I worked for
Interestingly, so I am. Their verdict was it would cause huge expense and make the company unviable.
My worry (again based on where I work) is that companies are scared to public say what they think the consequences of no deal would be like as it’s labelled as scare mongering and they also don’t want to be seen as interfering in the public process.
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Leave would win by a bigger marginVote of confidence. Lab Lib SNP plus some older remainer Tories against the rest of the Tories and DUP. Bye bye Tories. GE and/or PV. Parliament is at an impasse, put the cards on the table and let the people decide on the Brexit we now can see versus remain.
I’m basing it on my own experience with the company I worked for
Leave would win by a bigger margin
The problem is in the time trading on WTO many business would go bust, relocate or at the very least completely restructure their supply chains. They then might need to do the same once a deal is reached. WTO just isn’t a practical option.
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Remoaners**** They need to get a grip, embarrassing the way they go onI think Leave would win again... some remainers are oblivious to this...
Spoken like a true German
Remoaners**** They need to get a grip, embarrassing the way they go on
Would probably want a 3rd vote when they lose again
Leave would win by a bigger margin
Do ya honestly rekon remain would win? Not a chanceWell, let’s go ahead then. At least the argument that people didn’t know what they were voting for would be over.
No company knows and if you are a non Eu exporter even in relatively short term the impact on currency would be positive
Companies should have been preparing but remember we’ve had crashes of immeasurable scale in the last which have caused damage but in the end the economy is big enough to self repair and as I say it’s not as if it’s going to be very long before a resolution is then found
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